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That's true.

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And now is that
fun time in our show

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when my trusty sidekick,
Benji, joins me and peruses

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some of our comments.
What you got, bro?

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You know, Trey,
typically, we like

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to hear from our supporters.

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But I figured,
today's a special day.

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Let's hear a rant from somebody
trying to preach at us.

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Sure.

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So here it goes.

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What do you offer the world?

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You make disgusting
jokes about Christians

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and then yuk it up
like you've said

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something brilliantly amusing.

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Well, it's all fun and games
for you until someone gets hurt.

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That's my favorite part.

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And that'll be you at
the throne of judgment,

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where the God who holds
all heathen and derision

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shall have the last laugh.

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Oh, I'm shaking
in my boots, Benji.

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Oh, me as well,
a Christian clown.

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Would you like to hear another?

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Sure.

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Perfect.

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Robert Jastrow wrote,
at this moment,

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it seems as though
science will never

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be able to raise the curtain
on the mystery of creation.

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For the scientist who
has lived by his faith

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and the power of reason, the
story ends like a bad dream.

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He's scaled the
mountains of ignorance,

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and he's about to
conquer the highest peak.

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And as he pulls himself
over that final rock,

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he's greeted by a band of
theologians who've been

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sitting there-- get this--

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for centuries.

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Oh, I'm getting sick
to my stomach, Benji.

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Oh, I hear you.

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So here's what I'm thinking.

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Let's switch gears
because I'm tired of that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Let's hear from
one of the good guys.

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Let's do it.

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I'm just so glad my mind is
not "inslaved"-- with an I--

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by religion.

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Makes me feel bad
for Christians.

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But I know that I've helped
a few escape their bondage.

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"Inslaved"?

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Yeah, I think his English
needs a little work.

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Yeah, I would agree with you.

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See, but I'm proud of the guy
because, ultimately, we've

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been able to help multiple
people find freedom in atheism

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and deconstruct their
Christian faith.

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And here's what I'm thinking.

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With everyone's support out
there, we can help a lot more.

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You bet.

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Ooh la la.

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Look at this babe.

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You better put your
tongue back in your mouth

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before you step on it.

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Eh, she's not bad.

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Not bad?

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Uh, it's time for you
to see your optometrist.

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She is drop-dead
gorgeous, a real beauty.

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Yeah, not that it matters.

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She's way out of your league.

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Pete's sake, you wear
the same shirt every day.

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Hey, watch your tongue.

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I'm just saying,
get real, right?

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We're nerds, eggheads.

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Girls like that, they end up
with the cool guys like movie

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stars and jocks and doctors,
not biologists, chemists,

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and certainly not physicists.

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OK, speak for yourself because
I'm not just a scientist.

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I'm a YouTube celebrity.

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Right, no, I forgot, a
legend in your own mind.

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So then why don't you go
ask her out, then, legend?

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

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I don't have time.

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No.
Ah-huh.

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No, that's what I figured.

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What?

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What's so funny?

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You remember that
video I did making

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fun of that
creationist movie where

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the old guy goes to college
campuses and crusades

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against evolution?

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Oh, Debating my Gramps.

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That's a classic.

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Gramps wants to debate me.

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- Are you serious?
- Yeah.

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What a trip.

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I mean, you got, what, 400,000
views on that video already.

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So say you debate him, you'd
get at least that many,

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which means ka-ching, Trey.

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Probably so.

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Plus, it'd be fun
whittling him down to size.

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Though, not much of a challenge.

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I mean, he's not a major
creationist like a Steven Meyer

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or Ken Ham, but you can still
crush him, humiliate him,

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make it like the Christians
versus the gladiators

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in the Colosseum, though,
that's Rome, not LA.

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Duh, everybody knows that.

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Just chill out a little bit.

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He's just fighting for
what he believes in.

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If he respects me,
I'll respect him.

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All right.

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No, and say he doesn't?

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I'll get out my
whittling knife.

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Bingo.

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Oh.

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What?

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There goes your big shot.

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Well, you'll probably
never see her

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again, except in your dreams.

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Challenge accepted.

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Now what do I do for an encore?

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Oh, Lord, I'm gonna to
need your help here.

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It's your dime.

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Start talking.

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- Trey?
- Yeah.

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Who's this?

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Douglas Connors?

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Oh, Gramps, the man,
the myth, the legend.

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So I heard you want to
have a little debate

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about evolution, huh?

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Well, I'm not so sure
I want to have a debate.

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It just seems to be
something I need to do.

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Well, now, do
you have some sort

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of formal training in science
that I'm not aware of?

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Not really.

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I just read a lot of stuff.

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For example, I just read a
book called <i>Evolution's Echoes,</i>

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which recommended
I read another book

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called <i>Evolution Impossible.</i>

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I highly suggest you
check out those books.

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Yeah, I'll pass.

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So I guess this would
be a situation where I'm

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dueling with an unarmed man?

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Maybe.

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Goliath probably had
similar thoughts.

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Goliath?

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So you think that
you're David and gonna

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to save your people from
the big, bad, loudmouth,

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atheist, giant?

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Trey, I don't think a whole
lot about myself, period.

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This-- this is not about me.

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Well, I'll tell you what.

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I'm not much into formal debate.

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So why don't we just have a
civil conversation between us,

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and you can ask me
questions about evolution?

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And I'll educate you.

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I guess that'll work.

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I do have to warn you though.

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God will be mentioned
in this discussion.

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Well, I am not crazy
about that prospect.

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Well, if you're afraid--

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No, no, no.

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No, no, no, Douglas,
I am not afraid.

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You bring it on.

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Now, can you do this
live in a studio, or will

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we need to do this remotely?

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I'm not big on travel.

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Where's your studio?

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Lexington, Kentucky.

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Really?

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My daughters live there.

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It's not that far a drive.

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Jeez, I'd love to
see them again.

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Yeah, let's do it live.

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All right, you got it.

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I'll check the schedule,
and I'll get back with you

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with some dates that work.

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Sounds like a plan.

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Have a good one.

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All right, Gramps.

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Any prayer requests?

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Well, I could use some prayer.

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I'm gonna have a debate with
a young atheist who happens

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to be a scientist and
has quite a following

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out on his social media.

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You know, I know I'm not
qualified to carry out

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such intellectual
combat, but I just

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felt like God was just
pulling me up the ladder

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and dragging me out to the
end of the diving board

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and nudging me off
into the deep end.

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So I'm gonna to need a little
prayer here that God will speak

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through me because if my own
puny knowledge in this topic

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was dynamite, I wouldn't
have enough to blow my nose.

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Well, my wife has
a degree in zoology,

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and she'd be more than happy
to help you prepare for that.

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Wow, it's really generous
of you to offer her time.

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You know, I'm gonna
politely decline that offer,

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maybe save you some
marital mayhem.

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You know, scripture tells
us that when we get called

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before the judges not
to think in advance what

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we're going to say
but let the spirit

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lead and speak through us.

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I think that passage refers
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the authorities detain you.

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You know, like advice for
apostles on martyrdom.

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Yeah, maybe you're right.

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But I just feel that
there's not enough evidence

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or sufficient logical arguments
to sway a militaristic atheist

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and especially one who's built
his life without God upon

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the foundations of evolution.

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Only the Holy Spirit can
penetrate their defenses

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and reach their
heart and their mind.

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Yeah, but what
about his audience?

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I mean, couldn't there perhaps
be some among them that are not

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quite so hardcore, some that
maybe keep a partially open mind

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that maybe you
could reach with one

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of your compelling arguments?

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Maybe so, John, maybe so.

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But with so little time to
prepare and my advanced age,

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I just can't see how
cramming for that test

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is gonna pay any real dividends.

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I think I need to just
throw myself on God's mercy

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and let him do his thing.

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If you change your
mind, let me know.

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Will do.
Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Excuse me.

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If you're looking for a table,
you can share mine with me.

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Oh, that's kind of you.

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Thanks.

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I can't tell you how good
it feels to get off my feet.

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Why not?

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Is it a secret?

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Are you one of those
guys I'm going to have

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to watch my phraseology with.

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I do keep people
on their toes.

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Oh, and here I was
trying to get off mine.

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The issue is a hard
hospital floor.

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Oh, you're a nurse?

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Physician.

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Really, they
let people practice

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medicine at such a young age?

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Is your vision that bad,
or are you a compliment male?

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I'm pretty sure nobody's
ever accused me of being that.

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I'm Trey, by the way.

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Trey by the way, your first
name rhymes with your last.

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Oh, a sense of humor.

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I like it-- beauty, brains,
and banter all in one package.

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I didn't catch yours.

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I didn't throw it.

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Humph, OK, well, I guess I'll
call you Beauty until you do.

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So Beauty, do you reveal your
real name on the second date?

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Second date?

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I sure hope you don't
consider this a first date.

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I don't believe in dating.

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You don't believe in dating?

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Well, I can provide plenty of
evidence that dating exists.

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It's kind of my thing.

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Bit of a science geek.

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I'm not sure what science
has to do with social dating,

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but I don't need proof.

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I know it exists.

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I just don't join
in the practice.

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Well, why not, if I
may be so bold to ask?

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Dating is a fairy tale world.

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A handsome young man asks out
a girl whose appearance makes

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his heart go thumpity-thump.

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He probably has
no clue what she's

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really like as a real person.

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They go on a date, maybe
dinner and a movie.

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They spend most of the
time in the restaurant

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chewing their food and a
few hours in the theater.

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They could spend four
hours together and not

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know much more about each other
than before the night started.

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So they go on a
second date to fix that.

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And do it all over again.

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I mean, no matter what they do,
it's always something pleasant,

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and they're always on
their best behavior.

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Their hormones are
percolating, so they

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think they're in love
and jump into marriage

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with great expectations
and little wisdom.

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After the rice
has been swept up,

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they suddenly realize that
everything that bugs them

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is suddenly brought to light.

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Whoa.

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You've just dissected
dating as if it were a frog

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and crammed it into a
jar of formaldehyde.

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Ah, you really are
a science geek, huh?

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Yeah.

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Well, OK, so you're a doctor.

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That means we have a
mutual interest in science.

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I think that's cool.

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You know, you can tell a
lot about a person by what

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kind of coffee they drink.

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What sort of a exotic
mixture you got in that cup?

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Green tea.

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I don't like coffee.

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Oh, well, I'm batting
about zero right now.

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Hmm, sports analogy.

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Science guy can diversify.

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Thank you for noticing.

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Well, I better get
back to the hospital.

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Duty calls.

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Will I see you again?

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My dad used to sing this
song, <i>Que Sera, Sera--</i>

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whatever will be, will be.

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Oh, I thought
that was Doris Day.

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Oh, I made her laugh.

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My life is totally not in vain.

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Jeweli.

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Excuse me?

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My name is Jeweli.

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And your last name?

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I have a feeling if
I gave you that, you'd

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break a leg or something
so you'd need a doctor.

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00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:36,722
Why didn't I think of that?

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OK, well, if you won't
tell me your last name,

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will you at least tell me
what hospital you work at?

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Thanks for the chair.

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Have a good day.

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Wait, wait, wait, at least
take my car just in case

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you get the urge to call.

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00:12:55,977 --> 00:12:58,944
Hey, Siri, who are the
doctors in Lexington,

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Kentucky with the name Julie--

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J-U-L-I-E or J-U-L-I?

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00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:06,186
Sorry, I couldn't
find any doctors

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named Julie in Lexington.

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So I figured if you'd hide out
in the garden and didn't answer

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the door, I'd go away.

331
00:13:23,637 --> 00:13:27,907
Oh, Dad, I can't believe you
braved the traffic to

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come visit me.

333
00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:30,610
I know how much you hate
the big cities.

334
00:13:31,312 --> 00:13:33,547
Not that Lexington is
exactly huge.

335
00:13:33,947 --> 00:13:35,015
Well, it's too big for me.

336
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:37,852
You know, you could come
visit me sometime.

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00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:40,520
Yeah, so when's your debate?

338
00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:43,823
Tomorrow at 10:00 AM.

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Are you nervous?

340
00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,528
Nervous at my age, Lori.

341
00:13:49,263 --> 00:13:51,932
About the only thing that makes
me nervous is driving in
heavy traffic.

342
00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:56,469
Though I am just a little
concerned that I might be cannon

343
00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:58,171
fodder for this guy's mockery
tomorrow.

344
00:13:58,172 --> 00:13:59,673
Be anxious and nothing.

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You will be fine.

346
00:14:01,742 --> 00:14:03,410
Okay, well, come on in.

347
00:14:03,443 --> 00:14:04,644
Let's get you settled.

348
00:14:04,645 --> 00:14:05,612
Let me get my stuff first.

349
00:14:05,812 --> 00:14:07,047
All right, you need help?

350
00:14:07,748 --> 00:14:09,717
Lori, I'm a guy.

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00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:11,752
- Enough said.
- Yeah.

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Welcome to another
episode of <i>Chilling</i>

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<i>with the Renegade Scientist.</i>

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My guest today is
Douglas Connors.

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He is a writer and maker
of Christian movies.

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00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:29,802
Welcome, Douglas.

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00:14:29,803 --> 00:14:31,171
Thank you, Trey.

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So Douglas wanted to have a
conversation about evolution.

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And obviously, he has some
difficulty embracing the truth.

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00:14:38,012 --> 00:14:40,779
So Douglas, let's just
first off and tell

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me why you are antiscience?

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00:14:43,017 --> 00:14:44,817
Hold on!

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00:14:44,818 --> 00:14:47,252
I'm not antiscience.

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00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:50,356
I am antipseudoscience
and definitely anti

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political science, which
involves a study where

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the results are
intentionally skewed based

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on who paid for the research--

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for example, a study on
the dangers of butter

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paid for by the margarine
industry, or vice versa.

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00:15:06,307 --> 00:15:09,041
Not all, quote
unquote, "science"

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00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:11,611
is-- is equal, you know?

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00:15:11,612 --> 00:15:14,212
Me, I'm all about the truth.

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00:15:14,213 --> 00:15:15,814
Me too.

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00:15:15,815 --> 00:15:19,251
So what is your primary
objection to evolution?

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00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:22,154
Ooh, so many to choose from.

376
00:15:22,155 --> 00:15:25,724
Well, my biggest
objection is this,

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that despite the fact that the
ideas generated by evolution

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concerning the flora and
fauna that we see around us,

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they're historical
in nature and can't

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be replicated and
tested in the laboratory

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using the scientific method.

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00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:43,642
Even though that's
true, these ideas

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00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:46,946
are forced down kids throats
and other people's throats

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all over the world as if
they're slam dunk factual.

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And no real discussion
about other explanations

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and possibilities
is even permitted.

387
00:15:57,123 --> 00:15:59,326
OK, so just to
be clear here, you

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are not advocating that
the teaching of evolution

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00:16:01,462 --> 00:16:02,729
be removed from the classroom?

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00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:03,796
Not at all.

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00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:06,332
No, my mantra is,
teach the controversy.

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Get kids to think
and present the idea,

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00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:12,672
one that's been believed
by billions of people

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00:16:12,673 --> 00:16:17,542
over the centuries, that an
omnipotent creator designed

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this universe and specifically
this planet and all the life

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forms therein right
alongside Darwin

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00:16:25,952 --> 00:16:29,789
and all those neo-Darwinists
who evolved his theory.

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00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:32,091
That's material
for religion class.

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00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:34,794
Religion and science
should not be mingled.

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00:16:34,795 --> 00:16:38,297
Well, my definition of
science is the discovery

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00:16:38,298 --> 00:16:42,434
by man of the world that God
created with all its laws

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00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:44,804
and its elements
and its properties

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00:16:44,805 --> 00:16:47,572
as confirmed by the
scientific method.

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00:16:47,573 --> 00:16:50,442
I'm afraid, Douglas, you
don't get to define science.

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00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:52,677
You should probably stick
to defining religion.

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00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:54,781
The Bible already did that.

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00:16:54,782 --> 00:16:57,082
James wrote that
pure religion is

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00:16:57,083 --> 00:16:59,586
to visit widows and
orphans in their distress

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00:16:59,587 --> 00:17:02,021
and keep oneself
unspotted from the world.

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00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:04,857
Oh, I bet the Muslims
and the Hindus and the Jews

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00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:06,326
and about a zillion
other religions

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00:17:06,327 --> 00:17:08,094
are just thrilled to hear that.

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00:17:08,095 --> 00:17:11,064
And by the way, there are a lot
of atheists who give charity

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00:17:11,065 --> 00:17:13,232
to orphans and widows
and live according

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00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:14,601
to their own moral standards.

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00:17:14,602 --> 00:17:18,737
Oh, so everyone gets to set
their own moral standards?

417
00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:22,207
There's no universal standard
that applies to everybody?

418
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,511
Well, that's the beauty
of not believing in God.

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00:17:24,512 --> 00:17:27,346
He can't force his
values onto us.

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00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:28,714
But we digress.

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00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,484
Our conversation was supposed
to be focused on evolution.

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00:17:31,485 --> 00:17:33,219
Let's get back on track.

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00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:35,387
Okey-dokey.

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00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:38,057
Um, let me throw
some names at you.

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00:17:38,058 --> 00:17:39,257
OK.

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00:17:39,258 --> 00:17:43,229
Franklin Harold, who
happens to be a biochemist--

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00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:44,464
that's a scientist.

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00:17:44,465 --> 00:17:45,997
Ugh, Douglas.

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00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:48,701
He wrote in a book that was
published by Oxford University

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00:17:48,702 --> 00:17:53,839
Press, there are presently no
detailed Darwinian accounts

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00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,742
of the evolution of any
biochemical or cellular system,

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00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:01,581
only a variety of
wishful speculations.

433
00:18:01,582 --> 00:18:04,316
Well, that's
one man's opinion.

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00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:05,917
One scientist's opinion.

435
00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:07,652
OK, one scientist's
opinion, but there

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00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:10,289
are a myriad of other scientists
who will disagree with him.

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00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:11,224
And one thing I just--

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00:18:11,225 --> 00:18:12,624
I think we have
to point out here

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00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:17,062
right now is that interpretation
is key in the quest for truth.

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00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:18,864
First, Douglas, there's
the interpretation

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00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:20,232
of the evidence itself.

442
00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:21,867
And then we have to
interpret the words

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00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:24,704
of the scientists who are
describing their interpretation

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00:18:24,705 --> 00:18:26,739
of that evidence.

445
00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:28,007
That's a good point.

446
00:18:28,008 --> 00:18:31,477
Yeah, but what did Harold
really mean when he said,

447
00:18:31,478 --> 00:18:34,212
detailed Darwinian accounts?

448
00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:36,949
It seems like the devil is
always in the details, huh?

449
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:38,484
Well, I don't
believe in the devil.

450
00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:39,686
Go figure.

451
00:18:39,687 --> 00:18:41,987
Well, in my
experience, just about

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00:18:41,988 --> 00:18:45,424
every evolutionist
interprets all evidence

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00:18:45,425 --> 00:18:47,492
as confirming evolution.

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00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:50,262
And if they can't do that, they
either reject that evidence

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00:18:50,263 --> 00:18:52,597
or ignore it, along with
the people who bring

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00:18:52,598 --> 00:18:54,300
that evidence to the table.

457
00:18:57,203 --> 00:19:01,874
You creationists have
such a persecution complex.

458
00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:04,076
Well, maybe with reason.

459
00:19:04,077 --> 00:19:07,246
You know, it's bad enough
to ignore evidence.

460
00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:09,347
But I think it's even
worse to manufacture it.

461
00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:12,051
And you guys do that sometimes.

462
00:19:12,052 --> 00:19:14,554
Let me cite a concrete example.

463
00:19:14,555 --> 00:19:16,622
Don't worry, I won't
mention Nebraska

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00:19:16,623 --> 00:19:19,091
Man or Haeckel's drawings.

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00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:23,129
Richard Dawkins
likes to demonstrate

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00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:27,566
how evolution works using
a computer program analogy.

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00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,334
So there's a computer
program that's

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00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:33,572
going to spell out a phrase,
methinks it is like a weasel.

469
00:19:33,573 --> 00:19:36,542
So let's see if I can
explain this so even

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a scientist can understand it.

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Let's start with the
letter A. So we got

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a one-celled organism, an A.

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00:19:42,648 --> 00:19:43,882
OK.

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00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:46,686
Well, the computer is going
to generate a new letter

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and it's going to compare that
against and see if it gets

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a capital M because it's
looking for a capital M.

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00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,859
And it gets an O. It
says no, throw it away.

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00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:54,927
It goes again.

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00:19:54,928 --> 00:19:57,362
It randomly generates
another mutation.

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00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:58,797
It's a P. Throw it away.

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00:19:58,798 --> 00:20:01,066
And then it comes up
with a capital M finally.

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00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:05,137
And it mutates that A into
an M. So now, we've got an M.

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00:20:05,138 --> 00:20:07,372
But it keeps on
generating mutations.

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00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:12,344
And we come across, finally,
after about 25 tries, a small e.

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00:20:12,345 --> 00:20:15,414
So now it appends
that onto the M.

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00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:17,416
Now we got a
two-celled organism.

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00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,886
It spells M-E. And
it continues that

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00:20:19,887 --> 00:20:22,087
whole process until
it spells out,

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00:20:22,088 --> 00:20:24,056
methinks it is like a weasel.

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00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:27,927
And then the program just stops.

491
00:20:27,928 --> 00:20:29,461
And your point?

492
00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:32,231
My point?

493
00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:34,934
First of all, the
computer knows the answer.

494
00:20:34,935 --> 00:20:38,204
It knows where to drop in
every one of those letters

495
00:20:38,205 --> 00:20:40,739
and knows when to stop.

496
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,109
Natural selection doesn't
have any intelligence

497
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:45,644
to make such a decision.

498
00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:48,281
You know, it doesn't
know what the goal is.

499
00:20:48,282 --> 00:20:49,849
In fact, it doesn't
understand goals.

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00:20:49,850 --> 00:20:50,949
It doesn't have
any understanding.

501
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:52,317
It doesn't have
any intelligence.

502
00:20:52,318 --> 00:20:54,987
It don't know squat.

503
00:20:54,988 --> 00:20:58,257
You know, it doesn't
have any brakes either

504
00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:01,394
and can't start mutations,
and much less stop them.

505
00:21:01,395 --> 00:21:04,329
So in real life, if you've got
to have mutations happening,

506
00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:06,231
there's nothing to
stop them, we could

507
00:21:06,232 --> 00:21:10,002
end up with a sentence, methinks
Richard Dawkins is a weasel.

508
00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:14,974
You know, this whole analogy
is a logical hot mess.

509
00:21:14,975 --> 00:21:16,909
But when Richard
Dawkins trots out

510
00:21:16,910 --> 00:21:18,911
his little dog and
pony show, people

511
00:21:18,912 --> 00:21:21,146
like you stand up and cheer.

512
00:21:21,147 --> 00:21:25,151
And if someone like me says, you
know, the emperor doesn't have

513
00:21:25,152 --> 00:21:29,354
any clothes on, we get
laughed out of Dodge City

514
00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:31,256
like we're some kind of idiots.

515
00:21:31,257 --> 00:21:33,592
You know, I don't know
enough about computers to doubt

516
00:21:33,593 --> 00:21:34,927
or even criticize Dawkins.

517
00:21:34,928 --> 00:21:36,127
Oh, how convenient.

518
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:37,262
Well, I do.

519
00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:39,231
In fact, out of
curiosity, I wrote

520
00:21:39,232 --> 00:21:41,232
a program to do exactly this.

521
00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:43,236
It took me 17 minutes.

522
00:21:43,237 --> 00:21:45,237
Runs on my PC in
less than a second.

523
00:21:45,238 --> 00:21:47,906
It took about 8,000,
on average, mutations

524
00:21:47,907 --> 00:21:49,676
to spell out the whole phrase.

525
00:21:49,677 --> 00:21:51,611
Am I supposed to be
impressed with that?

526
00:21:51,612 --> 00:21:52,744
Fat chance of that.

527
00:21:52,745 --> 00:21:56,349
But that's not my goal.

528
00:21:56,350 --> 00:21:58,284
Let me drop another name here.

529
00:21:58,285 --> 00:22:00,352
James Tour is a
scientist who likes

530
00:22:00,353 --> 00:22:03,756
to debate other scientists
using science only,

531
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:05,624
even though he is a Christian.

532
00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:08,727
But his opponents always
attack his scientific arguments

533
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:12,097
by labeling him as a
Christian and a creationist,

534
00:22:12,098 --> 00:22:14,166
as if that invalidates
any evidence

535
00:22:14,167 --> 00:22:17,369
that he brings to the table.

536
00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:19,972
He goes out of his way
not to mention God.

537
00:22:19,973 --> 00:22:23,642
And they always have to bring up
the fact that he is religious.

538
00:22:23,643 --> 00:22:25,044
Tour is an idiot.

539
00:22:25,045 --> 00:22:27,012
So you've solved
one of his challenges?

540
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:30,216
You know, he said that if
anybody solves one of them,

541
00:22:30,217 --> 00:22:32,584
he'll take down every
one of his videos.

542
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:35,254
Douglas, he specializes
in the origins of life.

543
00:22:35,255 --> 00:22:38,391
That does not involve
evolution, which is my focus,

544
00:22:38,392 --> 00:22:42,261
and involves the changes
within life, not its inception.

545
00:22:42,262 --> 00:22:45,197
And that's also not the focus
of our discussion today.

546
00:22:45,198 --> 00:22:48,501
I really hate to come across
sounding like a dictator here,

547
00:22:48,502 --> 00:22:51,637
but I must insist that
we keep our conversation

548
00:22:51,638 --> 00:22:53,004
steered towards that topic.

549
00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:56,241
So, OK, just so we're on
the same page, what is

550
00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:58,777
your definition of evolution?

551
00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:00,112
Definitions are critical.

552
00:23:00,113 --> 00:23:01,246
Yeah.

553
00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:03,149
In fact, we should have
started this discussion

554
00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:05,151
with this question.

555
00:23:05,152 --> 00:23:10,956
OK, my definition of evolution
involves macroevolution.

556
00:23:10,957 --> 00:23:13,259
I have no problem
with microevolution,

557
00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:17,429
which is changes and
adaptations within a species.

558
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:23,836
Now, macroevolution is the
goo to you via the zoo theory

559
00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:27,472
that all life started out
as one-celled organisms

560
00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:30,042
and progressed through
millions of years

561
00:23:30,043 --> 00:23:33,146
through gradual
nondirected mutations

562
00:23:33,147 --> 00:23:37,149
through the DNA which proved
to be advantageous to survival.

563
00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:38,351
Really?

564
00:23:38,352 --> 00:23:40,252
Well, no wonder you'd
have a problem with that.

565
00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:41,954
I would have a
problem with evolution

566
00:23:41,955 --> 00:23:43,322
based on that definition.

567
00:23:43,323 --> 00:23:45,157
You know, evolution is
so much more complex

568
00:23:45,158 --> 00:23:47,092
than just mutation selection.

569
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:50,262
First of all, microevolution
demonstrates the process

570
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,597
that leads to macroevolution.

571
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:54,366
And there's lots
of other changes

572
00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:57,436
that are involved than
just mutation selection.

573
00:23:57,437 --> 00:24:01,006
Are you familiar with
the term epigenetics?

574
00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:01,841
No.

575
00:24:01,842 --> 00:24:05,111
OK, how about alleles?

576
00:24:05,112 --> 00:24:06,712
No.

577
00:24:06,713 --> 00:24:07,912
OK, thought so.

578
00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,182
Well, without any changes
to the DNA sequencing,

579
00:24:10,183 --> 00:24:12,551
epigenetic expression
changes lead

580
00:24:12,552 --> 00:24:17,022
to new functionality in the
phenotype containing that DNA.

581
00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:20,392
And the natural stressors
also lead to such alterations.

582
00:24:20,393 --> 00:24:22,094
Without such knowledge,
Douglas, you're

583
00:24:22,095 --> 00:24:25,664
not equipped to just go poking
holes in any scientific theory.

584
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,599
And there's lots of
Christians out there

585
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,767
who accept both
God and evolution.

586
00:24:29,768 --> 00:24:32,904
The two don't have to
be mutually exclusive.

587
00:24:32,905 --> 00:24:36,341
Though, I personally find
the idea of God in heaven

588
00:24:36,342 --> 00:24:40,046
to be repulsive.

589
00:24:40,047 --> 00:24:44,482
Well, Richard Dawkins did say
one thing that I agree with.

590
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:48,687
He said that the Bible,
the God of the Bible,

591
00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,222
and macroevolution
are not compatible.

592
00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:53,359
They can't coexist.

593
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,194
You know, if God
created everything,

594
00:24:56,195 --> 00:24:59,932
all life, as he says
he does in the Bible,

595
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:02,801
and there is evolution, that
means that he created all

596
00:25:02,802 --> 00:25:07,339
those beings with the ability
to mutate and to evolve,

597
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,341
which means there was
intelligence involved,

598
00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:10,676
and he directed it.

599
00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:13,979
And by very definition of
evolution, which you will admit,

600
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:18,651
there can be no direction
or intelligence involved.

601
00:25:18,652 --> 00:25:22,687
You know, to rephrase the old
chicken versus egg question,

602
00:25:22,688 --> 00:25:26,959
which came first, DNA,
or the first mutation

603
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,794
what brought about a change?

604
00:25:28,795 --> 00:25:31,731
And while you're struggling
with that conundrum,

605
00:25:31,732 --> 00:25:33,332
I'm gonna throw out
the bold statement

606
00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:36,401
that only a creator
could explain the coding

607
00:25:36,402 --> 00:25:38,871
sequences that we find in DNA.

608
00:25:38,872 --> 00:25:41,206
Well, let me throw in a
name for you, Douglas, Stephen

609
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:44,242
Hawking Stephen Hawking said,
religion is a fairy tale

610
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:45,677
for people afraid of the dark.

611
00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:46,477
Ah-huh.

612
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:47,679
Mm-hmm.

613
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,481
And John Lennox said that
atheism is a fairy tale

614
00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:51,851
for people afraid of the light.

615
00:25:51,852 --> 00:25:53,652
Oh, brother.

616
00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:57,222
Lennox is a mathematician
and a senile old man.

617
00:25:57,223 --> 00:25:59,324
Senile?

618
00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:01,694
That's probably your
assessment of me.

619
00:26:01,695 --> 00:26:06,197
You know, I really think that
we cannot preclude common sense

620
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:08,267
and logic when we're
discussing science

621
00:26:08,268 --> 00:26:13,004
which can't be proven in the
lab with scientific method.

622
00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:15,374
You know, to actually
arrive at truth,

623
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:19,611
we have to be able to follow
evidence where it leads.

624
00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:23,549
You know, if you omit design
as a possibility of explaining

625
00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:26,852
the complexity and the
diversity of life around us,

626
00:26:26,853 --> 00:26:29,387
I'm afraid that you've
eliminated the possibility

627
00:26:29,388 --> 00:26:32,857
of obtaining truth.

628
00:26:32,858 --> 00:26:36,862
And around and around and
around in circles we go.

629
00:26:36,863 --> 00:26:40,232
Douglas, I'm just afraid
we're not gonna agree on this.

630
00:26:40,233 --> 00:26:41,566
Could be.

631
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:44,669
I would just advise
you that eternity

632
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:47,072
is a long time to be wrong.

633
00:26:47,073 --> 00:26:50,442
Oh, was I supposed
to be afraid of that?

634
00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:52,277
OK, well, we're gonna
to take a quick break.

635
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,381
And we will be right back
with more scintillating debate

636
00:26:55,382 --> 00:26:57,649
on <i>Chilling With the
Renegade Scientist.</i>

637
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:58,452
Be right back.

638
00:27:01,553 --> 00:27:04,722
My sister is late, as usual.

639
00:27:04,723 --> 00:27:07,559
If she's not here soon, I'm
dishing up the food, Dad.

640
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,962
Oh, there she is.

641
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:15,701
Hey.

642
00:27:15,702 --> 00:27:17,736
Honey.

643
00:27:17,737 --> 00:27:19,037
How did the debate go?

644
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:22,307
Oh, I think I bombed it.

645
00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:24,142
Really, why?

646
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,444
Well, I was doing pretty
good at the beginning.

647
00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:27,846
I think I was holding my own.

648
00:27:27,847 --> 00:27:30,449
And then we had an
intermission with a commercial,

649
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:32,817
and he started throwing
scientific terms at me

650
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:33,919
and got me all rattled.

651
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,254
And I started to hem and haw.

652
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:38,457
And I couldn't think of the
things I should have said

653
00:27:38,458 --> 00:27:41,559
until I drove back to Lori's.

654
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,962
I was about as
authoritative as Mr. Rogers.

655
00:27:44,963 --> 00:27:47,666
You know, when I first got
into this culture clash gig,

656
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:50,036
I pondered reverting
back to the old me when

657
00:27:50,037 --> 00:27:54,439
I had a sword-like wit and I was
not afraid or ashamed to use it.

658
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,241
But that just didn't
seem to be the way

659
00:27:56,242 --> 00:27:57,809
Jesus would want me to roll.

660
00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:01,012
So I just try to have
respect for everybody,

661
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,549
even when I'm arguing
with people like him.

662
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:05,651
Who is him, and did he
attack you personally?

663
00:28:05,652 --> 00:28:08,721
Well, he goes by the handle,
The Renegade Scientist.

664
00:28:08,722 --> 00:28:11,957
And no, he was nice,
bit misguided, but nice.

665
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:15,594
Though, he did kind of treat
me like an infant whose mouth

666
00:28:15,595 --> 00:28:18,597
he was trying to spoon Pablum.

667
00:28:18,598 --> 00:28:22,201
You know, I would use a
different word for what he was

668
00:28:22,202 --> 00:28:25,071
trying to feed me,
but I try not to use

669
00:28:25,072 --> 00:28:27,939
words like that, especially
in front of you guys.

670
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:29,707
You know, the
kicker is, this dude

671
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:33,412
said that Heaven, with all
its peace and love and joy,

672
00:28:33,413 --> 00:28:35,614
sounded like a repulsive place.

673
00:28:35,615 --> 00:28:37,949
I mean, how can you
even reach somebody who

674
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:39,384
doesn't want to go to Heaven?

675
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:40,352
Yeah.

676
00:28:40,353 --> 00:28:42,054
Wow, that's a
tough nut to crack.

677
00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:45,357
Yeah, tell me.

678
00:28:45,358 --> 00:28:48,092
It just hurts my heart when
I meet people like him.

679
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:52,064
I read their comments
online and their opinions.

680
00:28:52,065 --> 00:28:56,501
Like, the combative spirit
just comes out in me, you know?

681
00:28:56,502 --> 00:28:59,204
But then when I
meet 'em in person,

682
00:28:59,205 --> 00:29:02,107
compassion just kind
of oozes out of me.

683
00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:05,111
How do you get entangled with
these guys in the first place?

684
00:29:05,112 --> 00:29:06,677
It's kind of crazy.

685
00:29:06,678 --> 00:29:09,014
I really don't
understand it myself.

686
00:29:09,015 --> 00:29:11,582
It seems like I'm
a magnet to 'em,

687
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:15,554
like there's a reverse-cultic
fascination or something.

688
00:29:15,555 --> 00:29:17,856
They watch my movies just
so they can make fun of them

689
00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:19,824
and me, of course.
- Well, that's not very nice.

690
00:29:19,825 --> 00:29:20,659
Yeah.

691
00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:22,194
They can be pretty brutal too.

692
00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:23,596
Yeah.

693
00:29:23,597 --> 00:29:25,831
You know, one kid, he puts all
his videos on TikTok, the ones

694
00:29:25,832 --> 00:29:28,534
he's made of me,
making fun of me,

695
00:29:28,535 --> 00:29:31,469
and had over 12 million views.

696
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:32,804
12 million?

697
00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:35,341
Yeah, it seems like nobody
knows me in the Christian world.

698
00:29:35,342 --> 00:29:38,042
But among the Instagram
and TikTok crowd that

699
00:29:38,043 --> 00:29:41,279
embraces atheism, I'm infamous.

700
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,614
Wow.

701
00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:45,684
Well, maybe you're called
to reach those people instead

702
00:29:45,685 --> 00:29:46,852
of preaching to the choir.

703
00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:48,487
Yeah, I was thinking
the same thing.

704
00:29:48,488 --> 00:29:50,389
I mean, maybe God
will use this video

705
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:52,524
in a way you never
foresaw, so don't

706
00:29:52,525 --> 00:29:54,159
despair thinking you blew it.

707
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,394
Yeah.

708
00:29:55,395 --> 00:29:58,997
You know, I've had thoughts
along that line before.

709
00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:04,169
I thought, maybe when the
proverbial stuff hits the fan--

710
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:06,737
You mean Pablum?

711
00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:08,106
Yeah.

712
00:30:08,107 --> 00:30:10,876
When that Pablum hits the fan.

713
00:30:10,877 --> 00:30:12,377
These people are
gon-- some of them,

714
00:30:12,378 --> 00:30:14,446
anyway, hopefully, will
start looking for answers.

715
00:30:14,447 --> 00:30:16,714
And maybe something
I've presented to them

716
00:30:16,715 --> 00:30:19,451
will help them discover at
least a path to the truth

717
00:30:19,452 --> 00:30:23,421
and, hopefully, life
eternal in Christ Jesus,

718
00:30:23,422 --> 00:30:26,091
maybe even after
I'm dead and gone.

719
00:30:26,092 --> 00:30:27,659
Jesus tarries.

720
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:28,459
Yeah.

721
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:29,394
Amen.

722
00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:30,762
Well, I know it's
too late for us

723
00:30:30,763 --> 00:30:32,764
to pray about changing
your words in the debate.

724
00:30:32,765 --> 00:30:35,701
But we can pray that the Holy
Spirit will touch the hearts

725
00:30:35,702 --> 00:30:37,002
of those who watch the video.

726
00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:38,036
Amen.

727
00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:40,872
Mhm, let's do that
right after we eat.

728
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:41,706
Okey-doke.

729
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:42,974
I can take a hint.
- Yeah.

730
00:30:42,975 --> 00:30:43,776
A subtle one.

731
00:30:43,777 --> 00:30:44,942
I'm starving.

732
00:30:44,943 --> 00:30:45,744
Me too.

733
00:30:45,745 --> 00:30:46,645
What you got her?

734
00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:00,659
Oh, hey there,
elusive Dr. Jeweli.

735
00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:02,961
You mind if we join you?

736
00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:04,162
Who's your friend?

737
00:31:04,163 --> 00:31:06,764
Benjamin Bates,
coworker, right-hand man,

738
00:31:06,765 --> 00:31:08,099
and chief groupie.

739
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,602
You know, Trey wouldn't be
where he is today without me.

740
00:31:10,603 --> 00:31:11,802
Really?

741
00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:13,639
Yeah, it's because I drove
him to the coffee shop.

742
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,972
You're driving me to drinking.

743
00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:17,442
Oh, in this case, quite
literally, though, only coffee.

744
00:31:17,443 --> 00:31:19,344
But one day, Trey, I'm
gonna get you to imbibe

745
00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:20,612
something a bit stronger.

746
00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:22,447
Dude, you know that
my whole point in life

747
00:31:22,448 --> 00:31:25,951
is to keep my wits about me and
to be in control at all times.

748
00:31:25,952 --> 00:31:28,821
Your beverages of choice
don't fit into that plan.

749
00:31:28,822 --> 00:31:31,356
Right, well, it's too bad you
don't have a life to control.

750
00:31:31,357 --> 00:31:33,291
Hey, I didn't sit down
with this lovely lady

751
00:31:33,292 --> 00:31:34,526
to cross swords with you.

752
00:31:34,527 --> 00:31:36,094
So why don't you put
a lid on it or go

753
00:31:36,095 --> 00:31:37,362
powder your nose or something?

754
00:31:37,363 --> 00:31:39,031
Or, get this, I
could punch yours.

755
00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:40,366
You don't believe in violence.

756
00:31:40,367 --> 00:31:41,766
And I could suspend that
belief for, I don't know,

757
00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:43,167
three seconds.

758
00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:45,271
And I could suspend you from a
chandelier for about three days.

759
00:31:45,272 --> 00:31:47,006
- You feeling lucky, Trey?
- Ah-huh.

760
00:31:47,007 --> 00:31:49,707
Guys, hey, how about
you throttle back

761
00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:52,044
the testosterone just
a couple of notches?

762
00:31:52,045 --> 00:31:53,177
Tell you what.

763
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:54,946
I'll go powder my nose,
and you two can work out

764
00:31:54,947 --> 00:31:58,249
your hostilities in my absence.

765
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:59,651
OK.

766
00:31:59,652 --> 00:32:00,652
We'll see you.

767
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:02,721
You have $5 says
she's not coming back.

768
00:32:02,722 --> 00:32:04,122
She's coming back.

769
00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:06,924
And I'll pay you $5 to
pretend to be mad at me

770
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,694
and leave me here
stranded without a ride.

771
00:32:08,695 --> 00:32:09,994
Deal.

772
00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:13,666
Um, and how exactly you plan
on getting to the office?

773
00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:15,434
No, you don't mean--
you don't think--

774
00:32:15,435 --> 00:32:17,302
Exactly.

775
00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:20,539
Well, that's a long
walk if she refuses.

776
00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:23,174
You want me to hang out in the
parking lot for a couple minutes

777
00:32:23,175 --> 00:32:24,742
in case your plan
doesn't work out?

778
00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:26,277
Though, I still
get to keep the $5.

779
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,112
No, thanks.

780
00:32:27,113 --> 00:32:29,047
But actually, change of plans.

781
00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:31,582
I don't want to expose her to
the displeasure of our fighting

782
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:33,017
again, so why
don't you take off,

783
00:32:33,018 --> 00:32:34,386
you leave me here
without a ride,

784
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:36,354
and we'll spare her the pain.

785
00:32:36,355 --> 00:32:37,756
All right, works for me.

786
00:32:37,757 --> 00:32:40,025
Hope you got some comfortable
walking shoes on though, Trey.

787
00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:50,469
Did you and Benjamin
achieve world peace?

788
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:53,404
Actually, he got
so mad at me that he

789
00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:54,872
told me to take a long hike.

790
00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:56,874
And he took off and left
me here without a ride.

791
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:59,177
So I guess that's exactly
what I'm gonna have to do.

792
00:32:59,178 --> 00:33:00,412
How far do you have to go?

793
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:01,212
Six miles.

794
00:33:01,213 --> 00:33:02,581
Oh.

795
00:33:02,582 --> 00:33:04,449
You don't seem too
shook up about it.

796
00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:05,784
Well, it what it is.

797
00:33:05,785 --> 00:33:08,186
I mean, why spoil a nice day
and a pleasant conversation

798
00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:10,154
by getting bent out of shape?

799
00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:12,257
So, how you been?

800
00:33:12,258 --> 00:33:13,692
Busy, as usual.

801
00:33:13,693 --> 00:33:16,061
Are you going to reveal
your last name today?

802
00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:19,831
After all, it is
the second date.

803
00:33:19,832 --> 00:33:22,834
Your definition of a date
and mine are worlds apart.

804
00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:24,736
Do you just have so
many guys hitting on you

805
00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:27,639
that you can afford to ignore
a guy like me who fell in love

806
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,241
with you at first sight?

807
00:33:29,242 --> 00:33:31,742
I don't have any guys hitting
on me because I don't go

808
00:33:31,743 --> 00:33:33,177
into places where that happens.

809
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:34,512
Oh.

810
00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:36,781
So your goal in
life is to be alone.

811
00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:40,251
No, I'm just waiting for
the right one to come along,

812
00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:42,221
someone with the
same goals in life.

813
00:33:42,222 --> 00:33:44,122
Well, how do you know
that that's not me?

814
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:45,991
We haven't even
discussed goals yet.

815
00:33:45,992 --> 00:33:49,461
I'm not feeling it.

816
00:33:49,462 --> 00:33:51,796
But I guess I could be wrong.

817
00:33:51,797 --> 00:33:55,032
Ooh, do I detect just a tiny
little sliver of an opportunity

818
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,667
to win you over?

819
00:33:56,668 --> 00:34:00,539
Let me give you a clue as
how to enhance the opportunity.

820
00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:01,939
Just let it flow naturally.

821
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:06,377
Don't try to force anything with
flattery and fakery and flowers.

822
00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:09,414
And definitely don't throw the
L word around there casually.

823
00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:12,384
Flattery, fakery, flowers,
that's a lot of F words.

824
00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:13,786
But I guess you're
saying I should

825
00:34:13,787 --> 00:34:15,019
pump the brakes a little bit.

826
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:16,354
Yeah.

827
00:34:16,355 --> 00:34:18,323
Speaking of breaks, I gotta go.

828
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,062
If you want a ride,
it's now or never.

829
00:34:24,063 --> 00:34:28,066
Now would be awesome.

830
00:34:36,242 --> 00:34:38,609
Well, I know better
than to ask for a kiss,

831
00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,046
but could I ask one more
time for your last name?

832
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:44,949
Gotta admire the persistence.

833
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,217
Tell you what.

834
00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:48,186
Next time we run into each
other at the coffee shop,

835
00:34:48,187 --> 00:34:49,754
I'll reveal the big secret.

836
00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:51,089
Well, that makes my day.

837
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:53,124
I guess I'll just have to
work down there all day

838
00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:55,426
just so I won't miss you.

839
00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:58,029
Well, I might come
in during the evening.

840
00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:00,666
Then I'll work all day and
all night till they kick me out.

841
00:35:00,667 --> 00:35:03,401
Whatever.

842
00:35:03,402 --> 00:35:05,336
Well, now I'm kicking
you out of my car.

843
00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:06,637
I've got things to do.

844
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,039
Roger that.

845
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,009
Well, thank you for saving my
shoes, my time, maybe my life

846
00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:12,544
with your token of generosity.

847
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,246
You're welcome.

848
00:35:37,703 --> 00:35:38,536
Hey, hey.

849
00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:39,771
So you make it to first base?

850
00:35:39,772 --> 00:35:40,872
Not quite.

851
00:35:40,873 --> 00:35:43,976
But I did get to the
plate, and the pitcher

852
00:35:43,977 --> 00:35:45,644
is sharing signals with me.

853
00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:48,981
So I have an idea how
to make solid contact.

854
00:35:48,982 --> 00:35:50,882
Right, no, I'll believe
that when I see it.

855
00:35:50,883 --> 00:35:52,817
So what do you want
to work on today?

856
00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:54,352
Let's get that
debate edit complete

857
00:35:54,353 --> 00:35:56,287
and upload it to
YouTube and TikTok.

858
00:35:56,288 --> 00:35:59,457
And I wanna like
stink on sardines, Trey.

859
00:36:02,093 --> 00:36:03,261
Hey, Dad, what's up?

860
00:36:03,262 --> 00:36:04,296
Hey, kiddo.

861
00:36:04,297 --> 00:36:06,064
Hey, check your email.

862
00:36:06,065 --> 00:36:08,299
I just sent you and your
sister a link to my debate

863
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:09,834
out on YouTube.

864
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:11,569
I'll watch it tonight.

865
00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:13,437
Hey, but don't-- don't
be too disappointed

866
00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:15,339
if Jeweli doesn't get
to it for a bit, OK?

867
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:17,509
Yeah, I know how
slammed she is.

868
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:18,476
It's all good.

869
00:36:18,477 --> 00:36:22,247
You know, everything
in God's timing.

870
00:36:32,225 --> 00:36:33,524
Who is that?

871
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:35,159
Some guy who thinks
he's in love with me.

872
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,961
What?

873
00:36:35,962 --> 00:36:36,894
I know.

874
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,796
And you never
told me about him?

875
00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:40,131
No, there's nothing to tell.

876
00:36:40,132 --> 00:36:42,166
I mean, he tried to make
a pass, and I swatted it

877
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:45,002
down at the line of scrimmage.

878
00:36:45,003 --> 00:36:45,871
I want to meet him.

879
00:36:45,872 --> 00:36:46,737
Lori, no.

880
00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:47,539
Yeah.

881
00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:49,441
Lori, I--

882
00:36:49,442 --> 00:36:50,474
Hi, I'm Lori.

883
00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:51,276
Oh, hey.

884
00:36:51,277 --> 00:36:52,076
I'm--

885
00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:53,444
The Renegade Scientist!

886
00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,881
Oh, you've seen my videos.

887
00:36:55,882 --> 00:36:58,516
Just one, the one
where you debated

888
00:36:58,517 --> 00:37:01,152
my father about evolution.

889
00:37:01,153 --> 00:37:02,487
Douglas is your dad?

890
00:37:02,488 --> 00:37:03,321
Wow!

891
00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:06,057
Ah-huh, hers too.

892
00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:07,360
Jeweli's my sister.

893
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:16,467
Gee, Jeweli, you've been
hobnobbing with the enemy.

894
00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:17,936
Uh, hold on now.

895
00:37:17,937 --> 00:37:19,904
Enemy's such a strong word.

896
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:21,572
You made fun of our dad.

897
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:24,242
It was all in good
sport, nothing personal.

898
00:37:24,243 --> 00:37:26,677
My thing is making fun
of all Christian movies.

899
00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:29,147
But I kind of liked
talking to your dad.

900
00:37:29,148 --> 00:37:31,049
Jeweli, did you get
to watch the debate?

901
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:33,051
I hadn't found the time.

902
00:37:33,052 --> 00:37:35,352
Well, I guess I don't have
to tell you my last name.

903
00:37:35,353 --> 00:37:36,354
- Connors?
- Mm-hmm.

904
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:38,722
Which means you
must be Lori Connors.

905
00:37:38,723 --> 00:37:41,259
Nope, Lori Atwater.

906
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:45,329
My husband is a
marine, by the way.

907
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:47,966
OK, I'll keep that in mind.

908
00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:50,501
Um, so can I assume
that you girls

909
00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:53,504
share your dad's convictions
about God and evolution?

910
00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:55,406
Absolutely.

911
00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:57,909
Does that mean that you're
set on marrying a believer?

912
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:59,211
Not just any believer.

913
00:37:59,212 --> 00:38:01,612
The Bible says that demons
believe and tremble.

914
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,481
I want to marry someone
whose whole life

915
00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:07,452
is dedicated to serving God,
not me, and not himself.

916
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:12,156
CS Lewis said, Christianity,
if false, is of no importance,

917
00:38:12,157 --> 00:38:14,759
if true, is of
infinite importance.

918
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,862
The one thing it cannot be
is moderately important.

919
00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:20,397
So my mantra is, my
heart is yearning

920
00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:23,134
after someone who is running
after God, not after me.

921
00:38:23,135 --> 00:38:25,671
If he's doing that,
I'll run to catch him.

922
00:38:25,672 --> 00:38:28,939
So you must be scratching my
name off the list of candidates

923
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:30,507
right now.

924
00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:33,544
Truthfully, I never
put you on the list.

925
00:38:33,545 --> 00:38:36,881
You know, you Christians are
supposed to be all about sharing

926
00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:38,216
your faith with others.

927
00:38:38,217 --> 00:38:42,019
Prove to me that God
exists, and I'll believe.

928
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:43,121
I don't missionary date.

929
00:38:43,122 --> 00:38:43,954
No, no.

930
00:38:43,955 --> 00:38:45,289
You said you don't date at all.

931
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:47,257
True, but I don't fall
in love with someone

932
00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:48,626
and then try to convert them.

933
00:38:48,627 --> 00:38:51,029
And I definitely don't promise
to fall in love with someone

934
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:52,697
if they believe in Jesus.

935
00:38:52,698 --> 00:38:55,332
They have to do that
without any ulterior motive.

936
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,936
After that, que sera sera.

937
00:38:57,937 --> 00:39:00,404
So you're just gonna
let my soul rot in hell.

938
00:39:00,405 --> 00:39:01,739
Ah!

939
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,007
You said in your debate that
you didn't believe in Hell.

940
00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:06,144
Yeah, well, maybe you
also picked up on the fact

941
00:39:06,145 --> 00:39:09,214
that I said, I want
to have the truth.

942
00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:12,684
And would you really risk
alienating your entire audience

943
00:39:12,685 --> 00:39:14,852
that's paying you
rather handsomely,

944
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:18,189
I might add, with
their views and clicks

945
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:20,826
by repudiating evolution?

946
00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:21,926
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

947
00:39:21,927 --> 00:39:24,062
I didn't say anything
about deep-sixing

948
00:39:24,063 --> 00:39:25,629
my scientific convictions.

949
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,632
This was about
searching for God.

950
00:39:27,633 --> 00:39:29,734
Well, if you find
God, I can guarantee

951
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:31,202
that you'll have
no use for Charles

952
00:39:31,203 --> 00:39:33,004
Darwin and Richard Dawkins.

953
00:39:33,005 --> 00:39:35,506
That's a bold statement.

954
00:39:35,507 --> 00:39:39,043
So are you up for the
challenge of showing me God?

955
00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:46,151
I'll have to think
and pray about it.

956
00:39:46,152 --> 00:39:48,852
If the Lord wants me to do
it, I won't shirk my duty,

957
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:50,421
as unpleasant as it may be.

958
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,122
Oh, gosh, no one's
gonna accuse you

959
00:39:52,123 --> 00:39:54,792
of being a sunshine pumping
mill throwing out compliments

960
00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,594
like candy to parade.

961
00:39:56,595 --> 00:39:59,531
But think about it all you want.

962
00:39:59,532 --> 00:40:00,999
And if you would
do me the courtesy

963
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,001
of giving me a call with your
decision, I'd be appreciative.

964
00:40:12,978 --> 00:40:16,682
Oh, what have I done?

965
00:40:20,318 --> 00:40:24,322
There are so many
people living life in misery

966
00:40:24,323 --> 00:40:26,124
Victims of our neglect

967
00:40:26,125 --> 00:40:28,126
They cry out for help

968
00:40:28,127 --> 00:40:30,161
The crowds walk on by

969
00:40:30,162 --> 00:40:32,129
Too busy to care

970
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:33,964
And they cry out to you

971
00:40:33,965 --> 00:40:39,036
Will you walk on too tonight?

972
00:40:39,037 --> 00:40:50,882
Reach out to them

973
00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:54,752
Reach out to them tonight

974
00:40:54,753 --> 00:40:56,654
So many lonely girls

975
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,722
So many lonely guys

976
00:40:58,723 --> 00:41:02,627
So many lonely hearts
crying out for love

977
00:41:02,628 --> 00:41:04,596
So many lonely girls

978
00:41:04,597 --> 00:41:06,564
So many lonely guys

979
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:10,567
So many lonely hearts
crying out for love

980
00:41:10,568 --> 00:41:19,912
Reach out to them

981
00:41:41,767 --> 00:41:45,636
God wants everyone to be safe

982
00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:49,774
And to know the truth

983
00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:53,577
God wants everyone to be safe

984
00:41:53,578 --> 00:41:57,682
And to know the truth

985
00:41:57,683 --> 00:42:15,133
Reach out to them

986
00:42:19,605 --> 00:42:23,075
Reach out to them

987
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,983
Reach out to them

988
00:42:33,385 --> 00:42:35,886
Am I crazy for even
considering this?

989
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:37,487
Absolutely not.

990
00:42:37,488 --> 00:42:40,057
You know, the Bible says that
we need to contend for our faith

991
00:42:40,058 --> 00:42:42,492
and be ready to give
answer to every man

992
00:42:42,493 --> 00:42:44,762
for the hope that's within us.

993
00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:46,331
This is an opportunity.

994
00:42:46,332 --> 00:42:48,832
You know, I took a swing
at this and missed.

995
00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:52,771
But you have a leverage
that I don't have

996
00:42:52,772 --> 00:42:54,137
that's gonna
motivate him to look

997
00:42:54,138 --> 00:42:55,974
beyond his scientific safe room.

998
00:42:55,975 --> 00:42:58,442
I don't even
have time for this.

999
00:42:58,443 --> 00:43:00,211
Honey, you never
have time for anything.

1000
00:43:00,212 --> 00:43:03,014
You have to make time
for what's important.

1001
00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,949
You still exercise every day?

1002
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:06,651
Yeah, just like you taught me.

1003
00:43:06,652 --> 00:43:08,786
Kill two birds
with one stone--

1004
00:43:08,787 --> 00:43:11,789
exercise, educate,
train at the same time.

1005
00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:16,594
Yeah, multitask, why
didn't I think of that?

1006
00:43:16,595 --> 00:43:20,264
Oh, you would have eventually.

1007
00:43:20,265 --> 00:43:21,866
I'm gonna be
sending you an email

1008
00:43:21,867 --> 00:43:23,734
with some of the
vulnerabilities that I

1009
00:43:23,735 --> 00:43:26,004
failed to attack in our debate.

1010
00:43:26,005 --> 00:43:28,072
And I'll be praying
for you too, kiddo.

1011
00:43:28,073 --> 00:43:29,341
All right.
Thanks, Dad.

1012
00:43:29,342 --> 00:43:30,141
That sounds good.

1013
00:43:30,142 --> 00:43:30,941
Love you.

1014
00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:34,144
Love you more.

1015
00:43:34,145 --> 00:43:36,047
Bye.

1016
00:43:49,227 --> 00:43:50,027
It's your dime.

1017
00:43:50,028 --> 00:43:51,962
Start talking.

1018
00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:54,499
I think your phrase
is out of date.

1019
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,501
Coin-operated phones cost more
than a dime if you can find one.

1020
00:43:57,502 --> 00:43:59,971
The quest for truth
knows no rest, huh?

1021
00:43:59,972 --> 00:44:01,406
Thanks for setting me straight.

1022
00:44:01,407 --> 00:44:03,241
My pleasure.

1023
00:44:03,242 --> 00:44:06,477
So I-- I watched the debate.

1024
00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:09,514
Did you truly mean it when you
said that the truth was the most

1025
00:44:09,515 --> 00:44:10,714
important thing to you?

1026
00:44:10,715 --> 00:44:12,516
Oh, yeah, with all my heart.

1027
00:44:12,517 --> 00:44:16,354
All right, so I'll accept
your proposal to-- oh,

1028
00:44:16,355 --> 00:44:18,056
let me rephrase that.

1029
00:44:18,057 --> 00:44:21,292
I'll accept your request
to be your tour guide

1030
00:44:21,293 --> 00:44:24,696
on the search for God
under some conditions.

1031
00:44:24,697 --> 00:44:25,829
Name them.

1032
00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:27,866
We have to do a lot of
our talking at the gym.

1033
00:44:27,867 --> 00:44:29,299
We talk while I work out.

1034
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:30,501
Can you handle that?

1035
00:44:30,502 --> 00:44:31,769
Do bears sleep in the woods?

1036
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:33,637
I've actually been thinking
about joining a gym.

1037
00:44:33,638 --> 00:44:34,939
JEWELI (ON PHONE) Oh, 6:00 AM.

1038
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:39,377
Ooh, yeah, I don't know if
my brain engages that early.

1039
00:44:39,378 --> 00:44:42,079
But I'm willing
to give it a shot.

1040
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,114
What else?

1041
00:44:43,115 --> 00:44:44,382
That's it.

1042
00:44:44,383 --> 00:44:45,482
Wow.

1043
00:44:45,483 --> 00:44:47,017
OK, well, what gym,
and when do we start?

1044
00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:49,454
Brickhouse Gym, tomorrow.

1045
00:44:49,455 --> 00:44:51,556
Oh, yeah, I've
heard of that place.

1046
00:44:51,557 --> 00:44:54,592
By the way, I've got a
little confession to make.

1047
00:44:54,593 --> 00:44:56,961
While I was trying to figure
out your last name and which

1048
00:44:56,962 --> 00:44:59,864
hospital you worked at,
I was looking for "Julie"

1049
00:44:59,865 --> 00:45:02,132
through all the hospital
staff directory lists.

1050
00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:08,172
And it's not fair that your
parents spelled it J-E-W-E-L-I.

1051
00:45:08,173 --> 00:45:10,107
Though, I do find
it appropriate,

1052
00:45:10,108 --> 00:45:11,976
considering you are a gem.

1053
00:45:11,977 --> 00:45:14,846
Ah, ah, ah, no flattery.

1054
00:45:14,847 --> 00:45:16,681
And what were you gonna
do once you've found

1055
00:45:16,682 --> 00:45:18,116
out what hospital I worked at?

1056
00:45:18,117 --> 00:45:20,517
Well, well, I was trying to
figure out how I could break

1057
00:45:20,518 --> 00:45:23,154
my leg without any actual
pain, it occurred to me

1058
00:45:23,155 --> 00:45:25,022
that just because you
work at a hospital

1059
00:45:25,023 --> 00:45:26,891
didn't mean that you
worked in the ER.

1060
00:45:26,892 --> 00:45:30,027
You could have turned
out to be a proctologist.

1061
00:45:30,028 --> 00:45:31,729
But now I see that
you're a pediatrician,

1062
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:35,466
so I'm really glad I didn't
take a hammer to my femur.

1063
00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:37,667
See you tomorrow at 6:00 AM.

1064
00:45:37,668 --> 00:45:42,306
By the way, there might be pain
involved if you're out of shape.

1065
00:45:42,307 --> 00:45:43,407
OK.

1066
00:45:43,408 --> 00:45:46,076
Bye, Jeweli.

1067
00:45:52,717 --> 00:45:55,119
I gotta tell you,
going at that slow pace

1068
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,887
is basically worthless.

1069
00:45:56,888 --> 00:45:58,922
I watched a video
once where they

1070
00:45:58,923 --> 00:46:02,559
explained the effects of certain
paces as far as longevity goes.

1071
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,294
And below a certain
threshold, there

1072
00:46:04,295 --> 00:46:06,964
was no advantage to exercise.

1073
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:08,299
I didn't know that.

1074
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:12,169
But see, I'm not afraid to
confess to my ignorance.

1075
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:15,572
So how much do you
know about religion?

1076
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,441
Well, my parents
are believers.

1077
00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,477
I was raised in the
Presbyterian Church.

1078
00:46:19,478 --> 00:46:21,446
I could not wait to
get out of there,

1079
00:46:21,447 --> 00:46:24,616
to get them out of
controlling my life.

1080
00:46:24,617 --> 00:46:25,982
You really are a renegade.

1081
00:46:25,983 --> 00:46:27,852
Well, I mean, I call
them like I see 'em.

1082
00:46:27,853 --> 00:46:29,954
I had lots of questions
about God and the Bible.

1083
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,156
And you know, they just kind
of blew me off and said,

1084
00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:33,391
just believe.

1085
00:46:33,392 --> 00:46:34,424
I don't roll like that.

1086
00:46:34,425 --> 00:46:35,926
Do you think,
perhaps, the problem

1087
00:46:35,927 --> 00:46:39,329
was with your denomination
and not Jesus and the Bible?

1088
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:42,332
No, I pretty much dismissed
every flavor of Christianity

1089
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:43,334
as lacking.

1090
00:46:43,335 --> 00:46:44,802
Well, not exactly
a wise assumption,

1091
00:46:44,803 --> 00:46:46,837
based on your
limited experience.

1092
00:46:46,838 --> 00:46:49,774
OK, OK, so stipulated.

1093
00:46:49,775 --> 00:46:53,711
So where do we begin this
quest to broaden my mind?

1094
00:46:53,712 --> 00:46:57,614
Well, I figure, since you're a
science guy, let's start there.

1095
00:46:57,615 --> 00:47:00,351
But you have to dispense on
your boundaries with naturalism.

1096
00:47:00,352 --> 00:47:02,719
If you won't allow God in
a scientific discussion,

1097
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,489
then this exercise
will be futile.

1098
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:07,892
OK, so what exactly
does that look like?

1099
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:10,927
Weigh all evidence
with this question.

1100
00:47:10,928 --> 00:47:13,964
Could God be the
answer to the whodunit?

1101
00:47:13,965 --> 00:47:16,334
And would God be a
more likely answer

1102
00:47:16,335 --> 00:47:18,569
than what naturalism provides?

1103
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:20,571
That sounds like
two questions to me.

1104
00:47:20,572 --> 00:47:23,141
Or two sides of the same
question, but let's not

1105
00:47:23,142 --> 00:47:24,742
get bogged down by semantics.

1106
00:47:24,743 --> 00:47:25,976
I agree.

1107
00:47:25,977 --> 00:47:28,746
Hey, before we get started,
you're a doctor, right?

1108
00:47:28,747 --> 00:47:31,582
So you have all this
formal science training.

1109
00:47:31,583 --> 00:47:34,251
How is it that you
can reject evolution?

1110
00:47:34,252 --> 00:47:37,854
Since evolution is the glue
that holds all biology together?

1111
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:39,456
Exactly.

1112
00:47:39,457 --> 00:47:41,191
My dad laughed
when you said that.

1113
00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:43,761
But he failed to press
you on the topic.

1114
00:47:43,762 --> 00:47:46,697
I found that I had no
need for macroevolution

1115
00:47:46,698 --> 00:47:49,266
in learning about the
body's processes like birth

1116
00:47:49,267 --> 00:47:51,669
and the health of
babies and mothers.

1117
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:54,972
And the historical
origin of Homo sapiens

1118
00:47:54,973 --> 00:47:57,507
isn't really a regard to me
since it doesn't change the fact

1119
00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:01,546
that our typical normal body
temperature is 98.6 degrees

1120
00:48:01,547 --> 00:48:04,649
and we can only survive
a few days without water

1121
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:06,817
and a few minutes
without oxygen.

1122
00:48:06,818 --> 00:48:09,219
I don't need Darwin to
care for my patients,

1123
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,289
but I venture to guess the
same is true for anyone

1124
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:13,891
working in the field of biology.

1125
00:48:13,892 --> 00:48:16,126
Ready for the next one?

1126
00:48:16,127 --> 00:48:16,961
I guess.

1127
00:48:16,962 --> 00:48:17,761
That's good.

1128
00:48:31,543 --> 00:48:34,444
So you reject
evolution because you

1129
00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:36,681
don't find it useful?

1130
00:48:36,682 --> 00:48:39,817
I reject macroevolution
because I

1131
00:48:39,818 --> 00:48:44,187
find it unsatisfactory in
explaining the diversity

1132
00:48:44,188 --> 00:48:46,156
and complexity of life.

1133
00:48:46,157 --> 00:48:49,059
I mean, the glue of biology
is the spark of life.

1134
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:52,596
And you admit that scientists
don't even know what life is.

1135
00:48:52,597 --> 00:48:57,901
Your theory depends on all these
miraculous, remarkable changes

1136
00:48:57,902 --> 00:49:01,972
to organisms over
millions of years.

1137
00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:05,509
The explanation that God created
things are the way they are is

1138
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:08,146
leaves no need for
any other explanation.

1139
00:49:08,147 --> 00:49:10,947
Well, I explained to
your dad that various types

1140
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:12,816
of mutations and
natural selection

1141
00:49:12,817 --> 00:49:14,919
could account for
that diversity.

1142
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,621
OK, but the fairy
tale-like progressions

1143
00:49:17,622 --> 00:49:21,157
of those mutations defies
belief by a rational person.

1144
00:49:21,158 --> 00:49:22,994
He tried to pin you
down into explaining how

1145
00:49:22,995 --> 00:49:25,596
the blood and the blood
vessels and the lungs

1146
00:49:25,597 --> 00:49:29,132
and the liver and the brain
could all have evolved slowly.

1147
00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:30,634
But you squirmed
out of the question

1148
00:49:30,635 --> 00:49:36,072
by citing your evidence for
things that we have witnessed.

1149
00:49:36,073 --> 00:49:40,011
But can you draw a picture of
a complex organ, like a heart,

1150
00:49:40,012 --> 00:49:43,314
evolving into being along with
the miles of blood vessels

1151
00:49:43,315 --> 00:49:45,382
and the lungs
bringing in the oxygen

1152
00:49:45,383 --> 00:49:48,852
that carries the
blood to the cells?

1153
00:49:48,853 --> 00:49:51,722
And don't just try to evade
the question by giving me

1154
00:49:51,723 --> 00:49:55,492
the lame answer that changes in
DNA could pull off that miracle.

1155
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:57,161
Most intelligent
people don't consider

1156
00:49:57,162 --> 00:49:58,529
that to be a lame answer.

1157
00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:00,664
Well, draw the picture.

1158
00:50:00,665 --> 00:50:02,366
You can't do it.

1159
00:50:02,367 --> 00:50:04,234
And that's why you have
to evade the question

1160
00:50:04,235 --> 00:50:08,039
with coulds and might haves.

1161
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,809
A human being is not
like an airplane where

1162
00:50:11,810 --> 00:50:13,644
the seats and the
wheels and the engine

1163
00:50:13,645 --> 00:50:17,081
can all be blueprinted and
put into place one at a time

1164
00:50:17,082 --> 00:50:19,282
until the whole
airplane is complete.

1165
00:50:19,283 --> 00:50:21,686
A human being is like--

1166
00:50:21,687 --> 00:50:24,856
a human being has to
survive during the process

1167
00:50:24,857 --> 00:50:26,189
of the changes.

1168
00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:29,026
You can't blueprint the process
for survival when survival

1169
00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:30,361
is required for the process.

1170
00:50:30,362 --> 00:50:33,431
And that's logic 101.

1171
00:50:33,432 --> 00:50:35,066
Did anyone ever
tell you how pretty

1172
00:50:35,067 --> 00:50:37,234
look when you get animated?

1173
00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:40,272
Are you derailing my
argument with petty flattery?

1174
00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:44,508
Let me use another analogy.

1175
00:50:47,478 --> 00:50:50,781
So there's a guy sitting
on top of a mountain.

1176
00:50:50,782 --> 00:50:54,017
The bottom of the mountain
has handholds and footholds,

1177
00:50:54,018 --> 00:50:57,154
and one could get up partway
without much of a problem.

1178
00:50:57,155 --> 00:51:01,257
But the top of the mountain is
steep and smooth and slippery.

1179
00:51:01,258 --> 00:51:03,059
Ah, a slippery slope, huh?

1180
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,727
Exactly.

1181
00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:08,031
And you would say that he,
obviously, climbed up there

1182
00:51:08,032 --> 00:51:09,967
because he's there,
and there's evidence

1183
00:51:09,968 --> 00:51:11,936
of him being on the lower
part of the mountain.

1184
00:51:11,937 --> 00:51:13,337
Yeah.

1185
00:51:13,338 --> 00:51:15,972
But remember, he'd have about
billions of years to get there.

1186
00:51:15,973 --> 00:51:17,207
Doesn't matter.

1187
00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:19,542
You can multiply zero by
any number in the universe,

1188
00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:21,311
and the answer still
comes out to be zero,

1189
00:51:21,312 --> 00:51:23,046
no matter how many years go by.

1190
00:51:23,047 --> 00:51:26,116
There are limitations
that time cannot overcome.

1191
00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:30,054
You evolutionists accuse us of
applying the God of the gaps,

1192
00:51:30,055 --> 00:51:31,889
but you invoke the
time of the gaps.

1193
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:33,257
Whatever, Jeweli.

1194
00:51:33,258 --> 00:51:35,759
Math and science
are not the same.

1195
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,627
And we're not dealing
with the number zero.

1196
00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:40,864
But OK, with your slippery slope
analogy, what's the answer,

1197
00:51:40,865 --> 00:51:42,466
that God put him there?

1198
00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:44,634
Well, if that's the only
explanation for it, yeah.

1199
00:51:44,635 --> 00:51:48,672
I mean, if you scientist
interviewed him and he said

1200
00:51:48,673 --> 00:51:50,841
that God beamed him up
there, you'd completely

1201
00:51:50,842 --> 00:51:52,609
ignore his testimony.

1202
00:51:52,610 --> 00:51:56,246
If his cancer is healed after
prayer, you ignore that.

1203
00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:59,817
Anything that points to God
must be avoided and suppressed.

1204
00:51:59,818 --> 00:52:01,486
Well, speaking of
prayer, scientists

1205
00:52:01,487 --> 00:52:03,321
have found no tangible
proof that there's

1206
00:52:03,322 --> 00:52:07,091
some divine being beaming
health into people from afar.

1207
00:52:07,092 --> 00:52:09,659
But you know, Jeweli, I know
lots of atheists who were once

1208
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,729
believers who walked
away from their faith

1209
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:13,931
because God never
showed up and showed out

1210
00:52:13,932 --> 00:52:16,199
when they cried onto him.

1211
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,171
God is not some trained
monkey that performs

1212
00:52:20,172 --> 00:52:22,272
on demand for a banana.

1213
00:52:22,273 --> 00:52:23,941
Even we Christians
don't understand

1214
00:52:23,942 --> 00:52:26,744
why he acts in some
cases and not in others.

1215
00:52:26,745 --> 00:52:29,646
But he's certainly not going to
respond to experimental prayer

1216
00:52:29,647 --> 00:52:31,147
meant to manipulate him.

1217
00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:33,617
God's ways are higher than ours.

1218
00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:36,119
Of course, because that
makes for a pet answer

1219
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,621
all doubts reply.

1220
00:52:37,622 --> 00:52:39,089
You know, Jeweli,
Christians don't

1221
00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:40,524
have airtight arguments either.

1222
00:52:40,525 --> 00:52:43,059
In fact, they got a
lot of wacky ideas.

1223
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:44,361
Such as?

1224
00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:46,196
OK, well, according
to your Bible,

1225
00:52:46,197 --> 00:52:48,599
Jesus was in the grave three
days and three nights, right?

1226
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,901
And you celebrate his
death on Good Friday.

1227
00:52:50,902 --> 00:52:53,604
So OK, if he was laid in
the tomb on Friday night

1228
00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:56,239
and he rose on Sunday morning,
that seems like it's three days,

1229
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,409
but it's actually only
two full days of time.

1230
00:52:58,410 --> 00:53:00,311
But here's the kicker.

1231
00:53:00,312 --> 00:53:02,646
It only involves two nights.

1232
00:53:02,647 --> 00:53:05,449
And it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that you

1233
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:07,784
guys celebrate a contradiction.

1234
00:53:07,785 --> 00:53:08,586
I know.

1235
00:53:08,587 --> 00:53:10,587
You're absolutely right.

1236
00:53:10,588 --> 00:53:11,421
You admit it?

1237
00:53:11,422 --> 00:53:12,222
Mm-hmm.

1238
00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:13,391
But that's man's mistake.

1239
00:53:13,392 --> 00:53:14,926
I mean, the Bible
doesn't say that it

1240
00:53:14,927 --> 00:53:18,194
happened on a Friday, but rather
the first day of Passover.

1241
00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:19,964
And that feast
changes days according

1242
00:53:19,965 --> 00:53:22,699
to the Hebrew lunar calendar.

1243
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:25,069
The year Jesus died, it
must have been a Thursday.

1244
00:53:25,070 --> 00:53:28,572
And the only time that happened
during Herod's reign was 30 AD.

1245
00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:29,739
And not 33 AD.

1246
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:30,541
Exactly.

1247
00:53:30,542 --> 00:53:32,042
Hah!

1248
00:53:32,043 --> 00:53:33,644
Why wasn't I ever told this?

1249
00:53:33,645 --> 00:53:35,746
I mean, it seems like
everybody's been celebrating

1250
00:53:35,747 --> 00:53:37,147
his death on Good
Friday, when it

1251
00:53:37,148 --> 00:53:38,449
should have been on a Thursday.

1252
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:40,751
And how in the world do you
know so much about this?

1253
00:53:40,752 --> 00:53:44,521
Well, I was bugged by the
same puzzle, so I researched it.

1254
00:53:44,522 --> 00:53:48,592
The time division between BC
and AD didn't happen until,

1255
00:53:48,593 --> 00:53:50,127
like, 500-something.

1256
00:53:50,128 --> 00:53:52,629
There was a monk that was
instrumental in making

1257
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:53,931
that determination.

1258
00:53:53,932 --> 00:53:56,701
It seems like he was off
by about three years.

1259
00:53:56,702 --> 00:53:58,234
That blows my mind.

1260
00:53:58,235 --> 00:53:59,236
But you know what?

1261
00:53:59,237 --> 00:54:01,071
In reality, it doesn't
change anything.

1262
00:54:01,072 --> 00:54:04,107
You know, the dates don't prove
that Jesus rose from the dead,

1263
00:54:04,108 --> 00:54:07,177
that he was the son of God,
or that God even exists.

1264
00:54:07,178 --> 00:54:10,881
You know, Christians have a
lot of other warts as well.

1265
00:54:10,882 --> 00:54:13,717
You know, we don't
have a perfect religion.

1266
00:54:13,718 --> 00:54:15,419
There is no perfect religion.

1267
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:17,754
But we do have a perfect savior.

1268
00:54:17,755 --> 00:54:19,856
Well, I can't disagree
with you on the first part

1269
00:54:19,857 --> 00:54:21,091
of your statement.

1270
00:54:21,092 --> 00:54:23,026
But it is refreshing
to meet somebody

1271
00:54:23,027 --> 00:54:26,831
with the intellectual
honesty to admit that.

1272
00:54:26,832 --> 00:54:28,866
It'd be nice to
find an evolutionist

1273
00:54:28,867 --> 00:54:32,402
who would admit to the warts
of Darwinism and neo-Darwinism.

1274
00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:34,972
And you want that
person to be me?

1275
00:54:34,973 --> 00:54:37,174
Look, Jeweli, you
can get me up 6:00 AM,

1276
00:54:37,175 --> 00:54:39,676
sweat out a gallon
of sweat every day,

1277
00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:42,746
but don't overestimate
your powers of persuasion.

1278
00:54:42,747 --> 00:54:45,017
And your time is up for today.

1279
00:55:04,102 --> 00:55:06,303
So how'd that
workout session go?

1280
00:55:09,173 --> 00:55:10,707
Frustrating.

1281
00:55:10,708 --> 00:55:12,776
You know how I led her dad
to follow my narrative?

1282
00:55:12,777 --> 00:55:13,911
Yeah.

1283
00:55:13,912 --> 00:55:15,579
Well, the daughter is
having no part of that.

1284
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:17,281
She is a tough cookie.

1285
00:55:17,282 --> 00:55:19,549
You know, every time
I look at her, Benji,

1286
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:23,086
it's like, she's so dang cute
that my mind just turns to mush.

1287
00:55:23,087 --> 00:55:24,987
Look, I told you to
be careful, all right?

1288
00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:26,556
First off, you look
on YouTube, there

1289
00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:29,359
are plenty of videos of atheists
converting to Christianity.

1290
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,462
And what I'd hate is to see
you, Trey, become a statistic.

1291
00:55:32,463 --> 00:55:34,331
Yeah, but there's
probably an equal number

1292
00:55:34,332 --> 00:55:36,767
of videos of Christians
who became atheists,

1293
00:55:36,768 --> 00:55:37,967
biblical scholars, even.

1294
00:55:37,968 --> 00:55:39,802
You know, a lot of their
musical celebrities

1295
00:55:39,803 --> 00:55:41,504
are recanting their faith.

1296
00:55:41,505 --> 00:55:44,841
Maybe I could make a
statistic out of her.

1297
00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:48,211
Trey, not to be a Debbie
Downer, but my money's on her.

1298
00:55:48,212 --> 00:55:49,412
Here's my thought.

1299
00:55:49,413 --> 00:55:52,049
You pretend to convert,
and then you bed

1300
00:55:52,050 --> 00:55:54,184
her and wed her if you want.

1301
00:55:54,185 --> 00:55:58,087
Benjamin, what kind of a
slimeball do you think I am?

1302
00:55:58,088 --> 00:55:59,922
Why don't you focus on the show?

1303
00:55:59,923 --> 00:56:01,124
Get ready!

1304
00:56:01,125 --> 00:56:03,126
All right.

1305
00:56:11,903 --> 00:56:15,072
I feel a burden
for Trey today.

1306
00:56:15,073 --> 00:56:16,807
Don't you always?

1307
00:56:16,808 --> 00:56:22,746
Well, yes, but it
just-- it seems different.

1308
00:56:22,747 --> 00:56:25,649
I mean, it just
seems like something

1309
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,652
special is happening today.

1310
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:31,889
Good special or bad special?

1311
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:35,926
Well, I don't
know, maybe both.

1312
00:56:35,927 --> 00:56:40,164
I mean, maybe because God
is doing something special,

1313
00:56:40,165 --> 00:56:44,035
that Satan is applying
pressure to stop it.

1314
00:56:46,603 --> 00:56:48,472
I know.

1315
00:56:48,473 --> 00:56:52,076
We need to attack it
in prayer right now.

1316
00:56:52,077 --> 00:56:53,477
No, right now!

1317
00:56:53,478 --> 00:56:54,644
Sandy, Sandy.

1318
00:56:54,645 --> 00:56:55,646
What?

1319
00:56:55,647 --> 00:56:59,316
We've prayed for
him for years in vain.

1320
00:56:59,317 --> 00:57:02,052
First, he strayed a
little bit from the faith.

1321
00:57:02,053 --> 00:57:04,887
And then, he started pulling
others from their religion.

1322
00:57:04,888 --> 00:57:07,291
How long can you
keep doing this?

1323
00:57:07,292 --> 00:57:10,461
Hope deferred makes
the heart sick.

1324
00:57:10,462 --> 00:57:13,797
Well, I don't know
about you, but I can

1325
00:57:13,798 --> 00:57:17,034
and I will as long
as I draw breath.

1326
00:57:17,035 --> 00:57:17,834
OK.

1327
00:57:26,543 --> 00:57:28,044
Well, I hope you
weren't expecting

1328
00:57:28,045 --> 00:57:29,946
to win him over in one session.

1329
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,647
I don't know what
I was expecting,

1330
00:57:31,648 --> 00:57:33,617
other than stubbornness.

1331
00:57:33,618 --> 00:57:36,552
I would expect you to
be equally as rock solid.

1332
00:57:36,553 --> 00:57:38,856
At least I have solid
ground to stand on.

1333
00:57:38,857 --> 00:57:41,591
Mhm.

1334
00:57:41,592 --> 00:57:44,027
So I watched this
movie the other night.

1335
00:57:44,028 --> 00:57:46,662
It was called <i>The
Poseidon Adventure.</i>

1336
00:57:46,663 --> 00:57:49,966
It's about a cruise ship
that gets turned upside down,

1337
00:57:49,967 --> 00:57:52,369
and there's a handful of
people that are convinced

1338
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:55,539
by this pastor or priest--

1339
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:57,907
I'm not sure which--
that they can climb

1340
00:57:57,908 --> 00:57:59,442
up to the bottom of the boat.

1341
00:57:59,443 --> 00:58:00,977
They can climb
up to the bottom.

1342
00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:03,647
Yeah, because
it's upside down.

1343
00:58:03,648 --> 00:58:05,216
Oh, gotcha.

1344
00:58:05,217 --> 00:58:07,551
There's this crew guy
that argues that they would

1345
00:58:07,552 --> 00:58:09,252
be safe by staying
where they are

1346
00:58:09,253 --> 00:58:11,254
and waiting for a rescue team.

1347
00:58:11,255 --> 00:58:12,856
And?

1348
00:58:12,857 --> 00:58:15,192
Well, they didn't
attempt the climb.

1349
00:58:15,193 --> 00:58:19,896
So most of the ones that sought
to escape following the pastor's

1350
00:58:19,897 --> 00:58:22,832
hunch made it out alive.

1351
00:58:22,833 --> 00:58:26,169
The rest, not so lucky.

1352
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:32,009
Water poured in on them,
and, well, enough said.

1353
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:35,646
So what's your point?

1354
00:58:35,647 --> 00:58:40,016
I see evolutionists as
being like that crew guy that

1355
00:58:40,017 --> 00:58:42,286
told the people that
there was no point in even

1356
00:58:42,287 --> 00:58:44,487
looking for an escape hatch.

1357
00:58:44,488 --> 00:58:49,059
We're just all going
to die, and it's over.

1358
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:52,429
Well, we know that's not true.

1359
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:59,202
So we look up, and we
climb up through Jesus.

1360
00:58:59,203 --> 00:59:02,506
The evolutionists, I mean,
at least the atheist ones,

1361
00:59:02,507 --> 00:59:05,242
right, they offer us no hope.

1362
00:59:05,243 --> 00:59:06,209
Right.

1363
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:08,979
So we have to be
strong in our belief

1364
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:13,182
and in our resolve to bring
as many with us to Heaven

1365
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:14,684
as we can.

1366
00:59:14,685 --> 00:59:15,686
I'm trying.

1367
00:59:15,687 --> 00:59:17,087
I know.

1368
00:59:17,088 --> 00:59:20,357
I just-- I think that you need
help, more than I can provide,

1369
00:59:20,358 --> 00:59:22,392
you know?

1370
00:59:22,393 --> 00:59:25,562
Wait, did you say that Trey's
parents were Christian?

1371
00:59:25,563 --> 00:59:28,666
I did.

1372
00:59:28,667 --> 00:59:34,171
OK, crazy idea,
what if you contacted

1373
00:59:34,172 --> 00:59:36,139
them and prayed with them?

1374
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:39,109
You know, like, little
synergy action going on there.

1375
00:59:39,110 --> 00:59:41,077
How am I gonna get
their contact info?

1376
00:59:41,078 --> 00:59:44,381
I can't just be like, hey, Trey,
can I get your parents' phone

1377
00:59:44,382 --> 00:59:48,584
number so we can tag team you on
some spiritual warfare prayer?

1378
00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:49,519
True.

1379
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,656
That would be a little creepy.

1380
00:59:52,657 --> 00:59:54,657
So you said he's
originally from Kansas?

1381
00:59:54,658 --> 00:59:56,961
I did.

1382
00:59:56,962 --> 00:59:59,596
All right, let me see if I
can track them down for you.

1383
00:59:59,597 --> 01:00:04,434
Oh, that could be like looking
for a needle in a haystack.

1384
01:00:04,435 --> 01:00:05,235
Mhm.

1385
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:10,474
I'm back.

1386
01:00:10,475 --> 01:00:12,276
And I'm surprised.

1387
01:00:12,277 --> 01:00:15,011
Thought I scared you away
with all the deep discussion.

1388
01:00:15,012 --> 01:00:17,214
Hey, I don't like
shallow conversation.

1389
01:00:17,215 --> 01:00:20,351
But with you, I need my
deep-sea diving equipment.

1390
01:00:20,352 --> 01:00:21,751
I like it.

1391
01:00:21,752 --> 01:00:24,321
Well, hook up
your oxygen tank.

1392
01:00:24,322 --> 01:00:27,324
Let's go again.

1393
01:00:27,325 --> 01:00:30,661
So yesterday, you said
that we had no proof

1394
01:00:30,662 --> 01:00:32,562
that Jesus rose from the dead.

1395
01:00:32,563 --> 01:00:35,031
I want to submit an
intriguing piece of evidence

1396
01:00:35,032 --> 01:00:37,801
that I believe does just that.

1397
01:00:37,802 --> 01:00:40,437
There's a cloth that bears
the image of a man that shows

1398
01:00:40,438 --> 01:00:42,506
all the characteristics
of what the Bible says

1399
01:00:42,507 --> 01:00:43,874
Jesus went through.

1400
01:00:43,875 --> 01:00:46,109
Oh, you're talking about
the Stroud of Turin, right?

1401
01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:47,211
Oh, you know about it.

1402
01:00:47,212 --> 01:00:49,246
It's been debunked.

1403
01:00:49,247 --> 01:00:50,681
Not so fast.

1404
01:00:50,682 --> 01:00:53,382
You atheists sure love to
sling that word around a lot.

1405
01:00:53,383 --> 01:00:57,221
One detractor shows up, and you
claim that debunks everything.

1406
01:00:57,222 --> 01:00:58,922
They did carbon
dating on the shroud,

1407
01:00:58,923 --> 01:01:00,424
and they found that
the date was way

1408
01:01:00,425 --> 01:01:03,559
too late to have anything to do
with Jesus of the first century.

1409
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,029
Well, what if there was a
patch made on the cloth because

1410
01:01:06,030 --> 01:01:08,664
of the fire it went through,
and the carbon dating test

1411
01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:10,166
came from that section of cloth?

1412
01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:12,269
Well, then they would
get the date of the patch.

1413
01:01:12,270 --> 01:01:14,437
Mm-hmm, debunking
your debunking.

1414
01:01:14,438 --> 01:01:15,939
Is someone claiming
that happened?

1415
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:17,241
Indeed.

1416
01:01:17,242 --> 01:01:19,242
Doesn't matter because the
supposed blood on the cloth

1417
01:01:19,243 --> 01:01:20,342
is not blood.

1418
01:01:20,343 --> 01:01:22,079
That was the opinion
of one guy who seemed

1419
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,981
to be a bit of a charlatan.

1420
01:01:23,982 --> 01:01:26,949
But the other expert
said that it was blood.

1421
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:30,286
But the kicker, the thing
that should intrigue

1422
01:01:30,287 --> 01:01:33,056
a scientist like yourself,
is that the image

1423
01:01:33,057 --> 01:01:34,857
itself cannot be explained.

1424
01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:37,994
It's like a negative that
was burned on the shroud

1425
01:01:37,995 --> 01:01:40,029
and only goes one fiber deep.

1426
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:42,266
We don't have technology
that can do that today,

1427
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:44,034
and there certainly
isn't evidence of there

1428
01:01:44,035 --> 01:01:46,736
being technology back then.

1429
01:01:46,737 --> 01:01:49,006
So you're saying
that Jesus left

1430
01:01:49,007 --> 01:01:51,607
a photographic
negative of himself

1431
01:01:51,608 --> 01:01:54,678
as a testimony of
his return to life?

1432
01:01:57,648 --> 01:01:58,849
Maybe.

1433
01:01:58,850 --> 01:02:00,484
I just think that someone
with an inquiring mind,

1434
01:02:00,485 --> 01:02:02,319
such as yours, someone
who wants to get down

1435
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,787
to the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,

1436
01:02:04,788 --> 01:02:07,357
would want to pursue that.

1437
01:02:07,358 --> 01:02:08,893
How do you know
so much about this?

1438
01:02:12,297 --> 01:02:14,164
My dad was working
with one of the members

1439
01:02:14,165 --> 01:02:17,601
that examined the shroud in
order to write a movie script.

1440
01:02:17,602 --> 01:02:21,771
Another one of your
dad's lame movies?

1441
01:02:21,772 --> 01:02:24,407
Did I say something wrong?

1442
01:02:24,408 --> 01:02:26,776
You know, I love my father.

1443
01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:30,614
I know you think he's a
nutcase, but I know better.

1444
01:02:30,615 --> 01:02:33,116
I'd appreciate it if you put
a lid on any rude comments

1445
01:02:33,117 --> 01:02:34,851
you want to make about him.

1446
01:02:34,852 --> 01:02:37,187
Jeez, sorry I ruffled
your pretty little feathers.

1447
01:02:37,188 --> 01:02:38,989
I'll check out the
shroud more in depth.

1448
01:02:38,990 --> 01:02:41,457
But I'm not sure that
it's acceptable evidence.

1449
01:02:41,458 --> 01:02:42,559
That's a key point.

1450
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,727
You guys seem to
decide what is evidence

1451
01:02:44,728 --> 01:02:46,996
and what isn't based on
whether it fits your narrative

1452
01:02:46,997 --> 01:02:49,832
or not, hardly
scientific or something

1453
01:02:49,833 --> 01:02:51,801
a truth seeker would do.

1454
01:02:51,802 --> 01:02:54,071
I like to examine all
the evidence for myself

1455
01:02:54,072 --> 01:02:56,239
and not rely on the
opinions of others.

1456
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,176
You know, Jeweli, there's a lot
of information, disinformation,

1457
01:02:59,177 --> 01:03:00,877
and misinformation out there.

1458
01:03:00,878 --> 01:03:04,114
And with AI's potential
to doctor and create media,

1459
01:03:04,115 --> 01:03:06,649
it's becoming a real challenge
to figure out what is true.

1460
01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:09,519
Yeah, I can certainly see a
great potential for the misuse

1461
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,021
of that technology.

1462
01:03:11,022 --> 01:03:14,757
Well, in any case, check
out Barrie Schwortz on YouTube

1463
01:03:14,758 --> 01:03:16,392
talking about the shroud.

1464
01:03:16,393 --> 01:03:18,094
He was the photographer
on the team,

1465
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:22,466
and he thought that, after five
minutes of examining the shroud,

1466
01:03:22,467 --> 01:03:24,101
they would pronounce
it to be fake.

1467
01:03:24,102 --> 01:03:27,604
Instead, he was
convinced that it wasn't.

1468
01:03:27,605 --> 01:03:30,774
Of course he did, because it
bolstered his Christian faith.

1469
01:03:30,775 --> 01:03:32,409
No, he's not a Christian.

1470
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:33,576
He's a Jew.

1471
01:03:33,577 --> 01:03:35,044
Oh, interesting.

1472
01:03:35,045 --> 01:03:37,414
All right, well,
but OK, if he's so

1473
01:03:37,415 --> 01:03:41,417
convinced that it's real, then
why hasn't he embraced Jesus?

1474
01:03:41,418 --> 01:03:42,852
Excellent question.

1475
01:03:42,853 --> 01:03:45,287
My dad actually made
a movie about that

1476
01:03:45,288 --> 01:03:48,757
where the theme is, when
a Jew embraces Jesus,

1477
01:03:48,758 --> 01:03:51,561
he does not cease
to being a Jew.

1478
01:03:51,562 --> 01:03:53,062
I know I made fun
of that one too.

1479
01:03:53,063 --> 01:03:54,264
I'm sorry.

1480
01:03:54,265 --> 01:03:56,066
But you know, you should
actually be grateful to me

1481
01:03:56,067 --> 01:03:59,102
because my mocking actually
drives traffic to his movies.

1482
01:03:59,103 --> 01:04:02,472
Yeah, and your people show up
like chuckleheads at PT Barnum's

1483
01:04:02,473 --> 01:04:04,074
freak show at the circus.

1484
01:04:04,075 --> 01:04:05,507
The geeks and
the bearded ladies

1485
01:04:05,508 --> 01:04:07,142
and the midgets and the giants.

1486
01:04:07,143 --> 01:04:09,546
Now they marvel at the
bizarre Christians who stand

1487
01:04:09,547 --> 01:04:12,982
up for old-fashioned values.

1488
01:04:12,983 --> 01:04:14,617
Tell me something.

1489
01:04:14,618 --> 01:04:15,919
Anything.

1490
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,487
Would you like
your groupies showing

1491
01:04:17,488 --> 01:04:20,022
up to laugh at your parents?

1492
01:04:20,023 --> 01:04:23,259
OK, uh, almost anything.

1493
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:25,862
OK, well, why don't you pull
it out of me, why don't you,

1494
01:04:25,863 --> 01:04:27,129
all right?

1495
01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:29,599
I would not be happy if people
were mocking my parents.

1496
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,001
I haven't talked
to them in ages,

1497
01:04:31,002 --> 01:04:34,704
but I know them to
be decent people.

1498
01:04:34,705 --> 01:04:38,174
Misguided, perhaps, but
they have good hearts.

1499
01:04:38,175 --> 01:04:40,744
Which you've
probably broken a bit.

1500
01:04:40,745 --> 01:04:43,079
Hey, you know, I can't
choose the same path in life

1501
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,414
just because they want me to.

1502
01:04:44,415 --> 01:04:45,547
I gotta be me, Jeweli.

1503
01:04:45,548 --> 01:04:48,051
What else can I be but me?

1504
01:04:48,052 --> 01:04:50,721
My sister went
down that path too.

1505
01:04:50,722 --> 01:04:51,754
Lori?
- Yeah.

1506
01:04:51,755 --> 01:04:53,289
But now she's
back in the fold?

1507
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:54,591
She is.

1508
01:04:54,592 --> 01:04:57,261
She went off to college a
good little Christian angel

1509
01:04:57,262 --> 01:05:01,831
and quickly got corrupted
in more ways than one.

1510
01:05:01,832 --> 01:05:03,666
Dad and I went through
hell as we fought

1511
01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:06,169
to help her find her way back.

1512
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:07,504
But what about you?

1513
01:05:07,505 --> 01:05:09,572
You never wavered from the
path, just practically perfect

1514
01:05:09,573 --> 01:05:10,907
in every way?

1515
01:05:10,908 --> 01:05:13,542
You know, stupid people never
learn from their mistakes.

1516
01:05:13,543 --> 01:05:15,111
Intelligent people do.

1517
01:05:15,112 --> 01:05:17,347
Wise people learn
from others' mistakes

1518
01:05:17,348 --> 01:05:19,982
so they don't have to go through
the pain to absorb the lesson.

1519
01:05:19,983 --> 01:05:21,517
OK, wait a minute though.

1520
01:05:21,518 --> 01:05:23,752
I thought you said that you
went through hell and back

1521
01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:26,422
because Lori wandered off
the yellow brick road.

1522
01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:28,191
That sounds like pain to me.

1523
01:05:28,192 --> 01:05:31,694
Not all the pain she suffered,
collateral damage, maybe.

1524
01:05:31,695 --> 01:05:35,666
But bottom line, do
you still have at least

1525
01:05:35,667 --> 01:05:38,234
some love for your parents?

1526
01:05:38,235 --> 01:05:39,969
Truthfully, I don't
know what love is.

1527
01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:44,274
But I appreciate the fact they
brought me up in a good home.

1528
01:05:44,275 --> 01:05:45,541
Well, that's good.

1529
01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:49,512
At least that means there
is some hope for you.

1530
01:05:49,513 --> 01:05:52,114
But you can understand
why I get so agitated when

1531
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:53,282
you make fun of my dad.

1532
01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:55,551
Yeah, and I'm sorry.

1533
01:05:55,552 --> 01:05:57,286
I won't do that again.

1534
01:05:57,287 --> 01:06:01,424
But will you take down the
videos where you do that?

1535
01:06:01,425 --> 01:06:05,561
Jeweli, my livelihood
comes from my content, OK?

1536
01:06:05,562 --> 01:06:08,031
That stuff was some
of my best releases.

1537
01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:09,832
I won't cut down your
dad in front of you,

1538
01:06:09,833 --> 01:06:12,067
but I'm not gonna go
erasing the past either.

1539
01:06:12,068 --> 01:06:15,471
Look, do you have some time to
get a coffee or tea or something

1540
01:06:15,472 --> 01:06:17,072
so we can continue
this conversation?

1541
01:06:17,073 --> 01:06:19,043
Yeah, but I only
have a few minutes.

1542
01:06:24,982 --> 01:06:27,016
Custard Cabins, cute place.

1543
01:06:27,017 --> 01:06:28,917
I've never seen it before.

1544
01:06:28,918 --> 01:06:30,921
Look around, Jeweli.

1545
01:06:30,922 --> 01:06:33,522
You know, I find it hard to
believe that you can look around

1546
01:06:33,523 --> 01:06:36,226
at all of the wonderful things
that God created for us,

1547
01:06:36,227 --> 01:06:38,727
and not see his handiwork.

1548
01:06:38,728 --> 01:06:40,029
For example?

1549
01:06:40,030 --> 01:06:42,466
Well, how about the
rebirth of spring?

1550
01:06:42,467 --> 01:06:44,867
All the trees seem to
die off in the winter,

1551
01:06:44,868 --> 01:06:47,302
but they're reborn in spring.

1552
01:06:47,303 --> 01:06:50,306
So you think that God created
the world to work like that

1553
01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:51,841
as a sign of eternal life?

1554
01:06:51,842 --> 01:06:53,842
Well, first of all, people
in the tropical zones

1555
01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:54,911
don't see that.

1556
01:06:54,912 --> 01:06:57,514
And second, that's not evidence.

1557
01:06:57,515 --> 01:06:58,914
You got something else?

1558
01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:02,351
Well, Jesus put
a lot of emphasis

1559
01:07:02,352 --> 01:07:04,019
on people producing fruit.

1560
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,089
Look at all the fruit-bearing
plants and trees

1561
01:07:06,090 --> 01:07:08,724
and the healthy and
delicious aspects of them

1562
01:07:08,725 --> 01:07:09,926
and even the convenience.

1563
01:07:09,927 --> 01:07:12,729
Like, look at the banana
and how easy it is to peel

1564
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:14,531
to obtain the good stuff.

1565
01:07:14,532 --> 01:07:17,734
And tell me, how does
producing that fruit

1566
01:07:17,735 --> 01:07:19,502
assist the tree in surviving?

1567
01:07:19,503 --> 01:07:21,371
Like the grapefruits,
for example,

1568
01:07:21,372 --> 01:07:23,839
they're comprised of 80% water.

1569
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,476
Each grapefruit on that
tree is zapping water

1570
01:07:26,477 --> 01:07:28,511
resources from the tree itself.

1571
01:07:28,512 --> 01:07:32,281
Seems that having mutations
to take a nonbearing fruit

1572
01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:36,419
tree into one that produces
water and nutrient-dense produce

1573
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,089
is not something that natural
selection would bless.

1574
01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:41,057
All right, well, first
of all, the grapefruit

1575
01:07:41,058 --> 01:07:43,326
is not a native plant
that God created.

1576
01:07:43,327 --> 01:07:46,996
It's a cross between pomelos
and Citrus sinensis, which

1577
01:07:46,997 --> 01:07:49,799
was a hybrid of Citrus
reticulata and Citrus

1578
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,367
maxima-- evolution in action.

1579
01:07:52,368 --> 01:07:54,271
Whether hybrid or not,
where's the advantage

1580
01:07:54,272 --> 01:07:58,007
for the tree and growing pomelo
citrus whatever you said?

1581
01:07:58,008 --> 01:08:01,177
Wherever water is
plentiful, it's not a problem.

1582
01:08:01,178 --> 01:08:03,112
You guys act like if
you had enough time,

1583
01:08:03,113 --> 01:08:06,282
you could shake up a can
of LEGOs, dump it out,

1584
01:08:06,283 --> 01:08:09,919
and it would assemble itself
into the Taj Mahal, I mean,

1585
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,589
complete with indoor
plumbing, heating and air,

1586
01:08:12,590 --> 01:08:14,089
electricity, and a Wi-Fi.

1587
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:15,992
And that's crazy,
especially since we

1588
01:08:15,993 --> 01:08:18,561
know how complex cells are.

1589
01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:21,264
You can't tell me
where cells came from.

1590
01:08:21,265 --> 01:08:24,967
But you can say without a doubt
that they all came together

1591
01:08:24,968 --> 01:08:28,371
at some point to
create a human body

1592
01:08:28,372 --> 01:08:31,074
with all of its complex
and interworking systems.

1593
01:08:31,075 --> 01:08:33,909
Complexity is no argument
against evolution, Jeweli.

1594
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:34,877
Are you kidding me?

1595
01:08:34,878 --> 01:08:36,212
Sure it is.

1596
01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:38,847
I mean, the more complex the
organism, the more difficult

1597
01:08:38,848 --> 01:08:42,217
the task, exponentially
more difficult even.

1598
01:08:42,218 --> 01:08:43,986
Your pet equation
seems to be anything

1599
01:08:43,987 --> 01:08:46,256
plus time equals everything.

1600
01:08:46,257 --> 01:08:49,826
Instead of invoking Father
God, you invoke Father Time.

1601
01:08:49,827 --> 01:08:51,861
We've been over this
before, time of the gaps,

1602
01:08:51,862 --> 01:08:52,662
as you called it.

1603
01:08:52,663 --> 01:08:57,266
Oh my gosh, I have to go.

1604
01:08:57,267 --> 01:09:00,403
Here, take a look at that
when you have a chance.

1605
01:09:08,378 --> 01:09:11,914
Please draw me a picture of
how gradual mutations could lead

1606
01:09:11,915 --> 01:09:14,049
to the formation of
a heart and a liver

1607
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:17,019
and a set of lungs and blood
with clotting capability

1608
01:09:17,020 --> 01:09:19,489
and miles of blood vessels to
carry that blood and oxygen

1609
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:21,691
and nutrients out to the
cells and return the waste

1610
01:09:21,692 --> 01:09:23,226
products to the liver.

1611
01:09:23,227 --> 01:09:26,029
If you can show me how all of
these intricate body functions

1612
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:28,197
could develop over
time when all of them

1613
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:30,666
are necessary for the
survival of a mammal,

1614
01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:33,969
I will abandon my belief
in God and join your side.

1615
01:09:33,970 --> 01:09:41,511
PS, I'm not worried because this
task is impossible Yeah, right.

1616
01:09:41,512 --> 01:09:43,180
Oh, boy.

1617
01:10:00,330 --> 01:10:02,799
Bingo.

1618
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:09,472
His father's name is
Steven Crawford in Kansas.

1619
01:10:09,473 --> 01:10:10,273
All right.

1620
01:10:16,347 --> 01:10:17,647
We're sorry.

1621
01:10:17,648 --> 01:10:19,582
The number you have
dialed is not in service.

1622
01:10:19,583 --> 01:10:21,952
Oh, you've got
to be kidding me.

1623
01:10:28,092 --> 01:10:33,296
All right, Facebook,
don't let me down.

1624
01:10:33,297 --> 01:10:38,234
All right, there's the haystack.

1625
01:10:38,235 --> 01:10:40,169
Now to find the needle.

1626
01:10:43,307 --> 01:10:45,141
What's up?

1627
01:10:45,142 --> 01:10:46,876
So did you thread
that needle yet?

1628
01:10:46,877 --> 01:10:48,511
Not quite.

1629
01:10:48,512 --> 01:10:51,947
Actually, it was
almost a slam dunk.

1630
01:10:51,948 --> 01:10:55,917
And then the phone number that
was listed is no longer active.

1631
01:10:55,918 --> 01:10:57,654
So now, I'm going
through Facebook

1632
01:10:57,655 --> 01:10:59,689
and trying to find
a Steven Crawford.

1633
01:10:59,690 --> 01:11:01,991
And there is a lot of them.

1634
01:11:01,992 --> 01:11:03,692
Why couldn't his name
have been something

1635
01:11:03,693 --> 01:11:07,664
like Clem Kadiddlehopper?

1636
01:11:07,665 --> 01:11:11,067
But I promise you, I will
find that proverbial needle.

1637
01:11:11,068 --> 01:11:13,569
Well, what if they're
not on Facebook?

1638
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:15,871
That would be a monkey
wrench in my gearbox.

1639
01:11:15,872 --> 01:11:18,407
Or if they are, and
they just never use it.

1640
01:11:18,408 --> 01:11:21,511
Wow, you are just a fountain
of encouragement, aren't you?

1641
01:11:21,512 --> 01:11:23,446
Sorry, just being real.

1642
01:11:23,447 --> 01:11:27,717
Well, you can be real happy
when I find the treasure.

1643
01:11:27,718 --> 01:11:28,785
That I can do.

1644
01:11:34,592 --> 01:11:37,359
Eureka!

1645
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,364
Steven Crawford on Facebook.

1646
01:11:41,365 --> 01:11:44,299
But no phone number.

1647
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:49,037
OK, plan B.

1648
01:11:54,345 --> 01:11:55,777
Hmm.

1649
01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:57,346
Hmm what?

1650
01:11:57,347 --> 01:12:00,549
Well, look, we just got
a message from a nonfriend

1651
01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:02,551
on our Facebook account.

1652
01:12:02,552 --> 01:12:05,954
She asks if we have
a son named Trey.

1653
01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:07,891
Should I answer her?

1654
01:12:07,892 --> 01:12:09,759
Sounds like a scam to me.

1655
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,461
There are a zillion conmen
and women out there, you know?

1656
01:12:12,462 --> 01:12:17,499
Well, I know, and I'm always
very leery of strangers.

1657
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:21,571
Why don't you ask them
why they want to know?

1658
01:12:21,572 --> 01:12:23,673
OK, hold on.

1659
01:12:28,512 --> 01:12:31,081
Oh, wow, here.

1660
01:12:31,082 --> 01:12:34,517
She, um-- she said sh--

1661
01:12:34,518 --> 01:12:38,554
she and her sister are
wanting to pray with us

1662
01:12:38,555 --> 01:12:41,857
over Trey that he
returns-- oh, my gosh,

1663
01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:46,262
that he returns to the Lord.

1664
01:12:46,263 --> 01:12:47,296
Wow!

1665
01:12:47,297 --> 01:12:49,197
That sounds like a
divine appointment.

1666
01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:50,832
It's a good thing
you got back to them.

1667
01:12:50,833 --> 01:12:51,634
Yeah.

1668
01:12:51,635 --> 01:12:52,601
Make it happen.

1669
01:12:52,602 --> 01:12:53,403
OK.

1670
01:13:03,413 --> 01:13:06,549
So what's up with Trey
and Jesus freak babe?

1671
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:07,917
I have no idea.

1672
01:13:07,918 --> 01:13:09,351
He stopped confiding
in me after I

1673
01:13:09,352 --> 01:13:12,287
suggested he use some
less-than-noble tactics on her.

1674
01:13:12,288 --> 01:13:13,922
Now I'm afraid she's
put a spell on him

1675
01:13:13,923 --> 01:13:16,226
and has sabotaged his passion
for fighting a good fight

1676
01:13:16,227 --> 01:13:17,226
against creationism.

1677
01:13:17,227 --> 01:13:19,729
But I warned him.

1678
01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:21,931
Should we intervene somehow?

1679
01:13:21,932 --> 01:13:22,731
Absolutely.

1680
01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:23,799
I'll tell you what.

1681
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,501
You come up with a
good plan, I'll be more

1682
01:13:25,502 --> 01:13:27,669
than happy to put it into play.

1683
01:13:27,670 --> 01:13:32,107
I am not squeamish at all
about being less than noble.

1684
01:13:32,108 --> 01:13:33,142
Good.

1685
01:13:33,143 --> 01:13:34,711
Let me wrap my brain
cells around this

1686
01:13:34,712 --> 01:13:36,646
and come up with a solution.

1687
01:13:36,647 --> 01:13:38,047
Deal.

1688
01:13:45,422 --> 01:13:47,791
Using that one job phrase--

1689
01:13:47,792 --> 01:13:50,259
I had one job as
a parent to raise

1690
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:53,529
my offspring to love and
have faith in Jesus Christ,

1691
01:13:53,530 --> 01:13:57,532
and I fail miserably.

1692
01:13:57,533 --> 01:13:59,936
You know, my dad always
uses an expression that he

1693
01:13:59,937 --> 01:14:03,972
stole from Yogi Berra I think.

1694
01:14:03,973 --> 01:14:05,974
It ain't over until it's over.

1695
01:14:05,975 --> 01:14:06,909
You know what?

1696
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:08,611
I keep telling him
the same thing.

1697
01:14:08,612 --> 01:14:13,182
Oh, when I hear the stories
of child trafficking

1698
01:14:13,183 --> 01:14:15,851
and-- and the
brutality of people,

1699
01:14:15,852 --> 01:14:22,191
I just want to cry out to
Jesus to come back right now.

1700
01:14:22,192 --> 01:14:27,629
But our son would
be lost if he did.

1701
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:29,866
And so many of the
younger generations

1702
01:14:29,867 --> 01:14:32,001
are in the same situation.

1703
01:14:32,002 --> 01:14:36,272
I mean, it's like this epidemic.

1704
01:14:36,273 --> 01:14:38,174
I wonder if this is
the great falling away

1705
01:14:38,175 --> 01:14:40,142
that the Bible talks about.

1706
01:14:40,143 --> 01:14:43,746
Statistically, the
statistics are awful.

1707
01:14:43,747 --> 01:14:46,014
The young generation
is just not embracing

1708
01:14:46,015 --> 01:14:47,682
the faith of their parents.

1709
01:14:47,683 --> 01:14:51,321
Well, parents are
losing their faith also.

1710
01:14:51,322 --> 01:14:57,861
I mean, when I hear the story
in the Bible of, you raise up

1711
01:14:57,862 --> 01:15:01,664
your child in the way he should
go, and when he gets older,

1712
01:15:01,665 --> 01:15:04,834
he will not depart
from it, girl,

1713
01:15:04,835 --> 01:15:07,769
I just have to bite my tongue.

1714
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:12,374
Yeah, but as far as I can
tell, we did everything right.

1715
01:15:12,375 --> 01:15:15,277
But the results are all wrong.

1716
01:15:15,278 --> 01:15:18,881
And I don't see any
evidence of that changing.

1717
01:15:18,882 --> 01:15:23,552
Listen, I'm sorry to be
fencing on you like this.

1718
01:15:23,553 --> 01:15:26,822
I mean, we're just--
we're at our wits end.

1719
01:15:26,823 --> 01:15:30,259
Our cup is overflowing
with frustration.

1720
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:33,096
I know exactly what you mean.

1721
01:15:33,097 --> 01:15:36,332
Yeah, that would
be because of me.

1722
01:15:36,333 --> 01:15:41,102
I was a prodigal, and the
Lord reeled me back in.

1723
01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:43,539
He can do the same for Trey.

1724
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:45,174
Well, we know he can.

1725
01:15:45,175 --> 01:15:51,481
The $64,000 question is,
will he before it's too late?

1726
01:15:51,482 --> 01:15:55,351
Well, I'm doing what I
can to make that happen.

1727
01:15:55,352 --> 01:15:59,287
And that's why we asked to
pray together with you guys.

1728
01:15:59,288 --> 01:16:02,424
So shall we get started?

1729
01:16:02,425 --> 01:16:04,359
Absolutely.

1730
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:05,228
Lead on.

1731
01:16:08,365 --> 01:16:10,432
Wow, I can't believe
it's already been two weeks

1732
01:16:10,433 --> 01:16:12,434
since we started this routine.

1733
01:16:12,435 --> 01:16:15,871
I can already feel a big
difference in my body.

1734
01:16:15,872 --> 01:16:18,141
Well, the goal is
to not get you buff,

1735
01:16:18,142 --> 01:16:20,042
but spiritually enlightened.

1736
01:16:20,043 --> 01:16:22,144
Well, I told you, I wasn't
gonna be an easy mark.

1737
01:16:22,145 --> 01:16:26,114
Yeah, the problem
is, your confidence

1738
01:16:26,115 --> 01:16:28,451
is in your own intelligence.

1739
01:16:28,452 --> 01:16:30,419
What else do I have
to base anything on?

1740
01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,389
I mean, it would be stupid
to put my trust in ignorance.

1741
01:16:33,390 --> 01:16:36,024
It's like, if God
did create us, then

1742
01:16:36,025 --> 01:16:38,427
he obviously gave us brains.

1743
01:16:38,428 --> 01:16:40,629
And we're supposed to use
them just like the muscles

1744
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:41,897
we're working out right now.

1745
01:16:41,898 --> 01:16:43,799
If you don't use
them, you lose them.

1746
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,267
And didn't the Bible say
to be as wise as serpents?

1747
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,371
And as harmless as doves.

1748
01:16:48,372 --> 01:16:50,872
But it also says to not lean
on your own understanding

1749
01:16:50,873 --> 01:16:53,242
and to put your trust in Him.

1750
01:16:53,243 --> 01:16:54,644
Well, do you?

1751
01:16:54,645 --> 01:16:59,214
I mean, do you just totally turn
your brain off and trust in God?

1752
01:16:59,215 --> 01:17:00,682
I'd be lying if I said I did.

1753
01:17:00,683 --> 01:17:02,451
And I don't do it all the time.

1754
01:17:02,452 --> 01:17:04,319
But I do know that when
I trust in the Lord,

1755
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,089
it's the most important
thing that I could ever do.

1756
01:17:07,090 --> 01:17:08,724
Let me throw you a curveball.

1757
01:17:08,725 --> 01:17:12,161
There's a law in science
called biogenesis, right?

1758
01:17:12,162 --> 01:17:14,629
Yeah, life only
comes from life.

1759
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:18,134
So in order for life to
begin, that law would have had

1760
01:17:18,135 --> 01:17:19,736
to been broken at some point.

1761
01:17:19,737 --> 01:17:21,737
Yeah, that's
called abiogenesis,

1762
01:17:21,738 --> 01:17:23,739
and it's probably
happened lots of times.

1763
01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:28,211
But if it can be broken, then
how can it be considered a law?

1764
01:17:28,212 --> 01:17:30,712
And where do the laws of
science come from anyway?

1765
01:17:30,713 --> 01:17:32,681
Do they not have
to have a lawmaker?

1766
01:17:32,682 --> 01:17:36,886
Aren't you just putting your
faith in scientists rather than

1767
01:17:36,887 --> 01:17:39,654
in your own brains to
realize that there are

1768
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:42,291
questions that
science can't answer?

1769
01:17:42,292 --> 01:17:43,259
They have answers.

1770
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:44,292
Yeah.

1771
01:17:44,293 --> 01:17:45,927
They throw spaghetti
against the wall,

1772
01:17:45,928 --> 01:17:48,164
and they hope it will stick.

1773
01:17:48,165 --> 01:17:50,199
Those answers don't cut it.

1774
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,001
What I keep hearing for
arguments for evolution is,

1775
01:17:53,002 --> 01:17:55,537
this is how it
could have happened,

1776
01:17:55,538 --> 01:17:58,006
just wishful speculations.

1777
01:17:58,007 --> 01:18:00,209
Then why do so many
people not only embrace

1778
01:18:00,210 --> 01:18:03,011
evolution, but swear by it?

1779
01:18:03,012 --> 01:18:04,814
You want the truth?

1780
01:18:04,815 --> 01:18:07,482
I'm not sure you could
handle the truth.

1781
01:18:07,483 --> 01:18:11,219
I can handle anything
you throw my way.

1782
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:14,156
So many people have
fallen into the subtle trap

1783
01:18:14,157 --> 01:18:15,657
that the devil has set for them.

1784
01:18:15,658 --> 01:18:18,261
And they don't have the brains
to realize they've been hacked.

1785
01:18:18,262 --> 01:18:20,096
Oh, come on, Jeweli.

1786
01:18:20,097 --> 01:18:22,731
Don't tell me you're gonna pin
the rap on the pointy-headed guy

1787
01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:25,167
with the red suit
and the pitchfork?

1788
01:18:25,168 --> 01:18:27,036
Prove to me the devil exists.

1789
01:18:27,037 --> 01:18:28,871
You got photographs, eyewitnesses?

1790
01:18:28,872 --> 01:18:30,339
You wouldn't
accept eyewitnesses.

1791
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:32,607
You don't even consider
that evidence unless it's

1792
01:18:32,608 --> 01:18:33,876
favorable to your position.

1793
01:18:33,877 --> 01:18:35,344
I only believe what I can see.

1794
01:18:35,345 --> 01:18:36,646
Can you see the wind?

1795
01:18:36,647 --> 01:18:38,114
OK, I see what
you're doing here.

1796
01:18:38,115 --> 01:18:39,281
Let me amend my statement.

1797
01:18:39,282 --> 01:18:41,817
I only believe what my
five senses can detect.

1798
01:18:41,818 --> 01:18:44,854
So OK, I can't see the wind,
but I can detect the effects

1799
01:18:44,855 --> 01:18:47,389
of the wind, the
blowing of the leaves

1800
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,224
and the the flowers waving.

1801
01:18:49,225 --> 01:18:52,361
So if you see branches
moving, you say the wind did it.

1802
01:18:52,362 --> 01:18:55,531
But if you see a rogue man
whose life is a mess who

1803
01:18:55,532 --> 01:18:58,066
has put his faith
in an invisible God,

1804
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:00,036
you discount that as evidence.

1805
01:19:00,037 --> 01:19:03,406
You see, you
believe in the wind,

1806
01:19:03,407 --> 01:19:05,974
but you do not believe
in a redeemed man.

1807
01:19:05,975 --> 01:19:08,477
Well, I thought you said you
were throwing me a curveball.

1808
01:19:08,478 --> 01:19:10,446
It seems more like an
underhanded toss to me.

1809
01:19:10,447 --> 01:19:11,847
OK.

1810
01:19:11,848 --> 01:19:13,816
Well, try this on for size.

1811
01:19:13,817 --> 01:19:16,652
Where does love and
emotions come from?

1812
01:19:16,653 --> 01:19:19,187
Why do we appreciate beauty?

1813
01:19:19,188 --> 01:19:21,624
If we're just a bunch
of chemical reactions,

1814
01:19:21,625 --> 01:19:25,094
how is a human capable
of sacrificial love?

1815
01:19:25,095 --> 01:19:27,696
Love evolved to enable
the humans to propagate

1816
01:19:27,697 --> 01:19:28,964
and to ensure survival.

1817
01:19:28,965 --> 01:19:30,999
Yeah, give me a break.

1818
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,167
Lust does that.

1819
01:19:32,168 --> 01:19:35,304
Love goes way beyond
hormonal expression.

1820
01:19:35,305 --> 01:19:37,372
You guys talk out both
sides of your mouth

1821
01:19:37,373 --> 01:19:39,174
and manage to say
nothing at all.

1822
01:19:39,175 --> 01:19:41,811
Well, gee, Jeweli, why don't
you tell me how you really feel?

1823
01:19:41,812 --> 01:19:43,846
Or are you just
demonstrating the emotions

1824
01:19:43,847 --> 01:19:47,349
that you want me to explain
in evolutionary terms?

1825
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:48,284
You know what?

1826
01:19:48,285 --> 01:19:49,584
This isn't working.

1827
01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:51,821
I'm never gonna reach
you with my intellect

1828
01:19:51,822 --> 01:19:54,222
and rational arguments.

1829
01:19:54,223 --> 01:19:58,794
I found a quote that I think
has to do with this situation

1830
01:19:58,795 --> 01:20:01,196
from Leo Tolstoy.

1831
01:20:01,197 --> 01:20:05,334
Most men can seldom accept even
the simplest and most obvious

1832
01:20:05,335 --> 01:20:09,071
truth if it obliges them to
admit the falsity of conclusions

1833
01:20:09,072 --> 01:20:11,974
which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, which

1834
01:20:11,975 --> 01:20:14,209
they have proudly
taught to others, which

1835
01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:18,747
they have woven thread by thread
into the fabric of their lives.

1836
01:20:18,748 --> 01:20:20,949
And another from
Winston Churchill--

1837
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:23,786
men occasionally stumble over
the truth, but most of them

1838
01:20:23,787 --> 01:20:26,789
pick themselves up and hurry
off as if nothing had happened.

1839
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:28,991
Well, the truth
about God and evolution

1840
01:20:28,992 --> 01:20:30,459
is not the most obvious.

1841
01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:32,361
Otherwise, people wouldn't
have been fighting

1842
01:20:32,362 --> 01:20:34,062
about it over centuries.

1843
01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,497
But I hope you weren't
thinking you were gonna bowl

1844
01:20:36,498 --> 01:20:38,166
me over with your platitudes.

1845
01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:39,667
You're the guy
the Bible describes

1846
01:20:39,668 --> 01:20:42,104
as ever learning and
never able to come

1847
01:20:42,105 --> 01:20:43,606
to the knowledge of the truth.

1848
01:20:43,607 --> 01:20:46,274
God's just gonna have to zap you
with a bolt of the Holy Spirit.

1849
01:20:46,275 --> 01:20:48,777
Ooh, that sounds painful,
and I'm not too fond of pain.

1850
01:20:48,778 --> 01:20:50,979
Yeah, I can relate.

1851
01:20:50,980 --> 01:20:53,182
I don't like banging my
head up against a wall.

1852
01:20:55,718 --> 01:20:58,521
You know, it seems like we're
in a Mexican standoff here,

1853
01:20:58,522 --> 01:21:01,657
so unless you want to
accompany me to a place

1854
01:21:01,658 --> 01:21:05,261
where the Holy Spirit
is manifesting,

1855
01:21:05,262 --> 01:21:06,394
I think we're done here.

1856
01:21:06,395 --> 01:21:08,897
What, does he not
make house calls?

1857
01:21:08,898 --> 01:21:10,566
Trey, I don't
need to be right.

1858
01:21:10,567 --> 01:21:13,936
I just need you to know
that you are loved.

1859
01:21:13,937 --> 01:21:16,504
And yeah, he makes house calls.

1860
01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:19,041
But I think it would be
best if we go to a place

1861
01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:21,877
where the Holy Spirit is
moving in other people too.

1862
01:21:21,878 --> 01:21:23,746
I'm assuming you're
talking about a church.

1863
01:21:23,747 --> 01:21:26,181
Yeah, no, thanks.

1864
01:21:26,182 --> 01:21:28,984
So no more gym sessions?

1865
01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:30,952
At 6:00 AM, that is.

1866
01:21:30,953 --> 01:21:35,258
I suggest you continue your
workouts, just not with me.

1867
01:21:45,535 --> 01:21:47,702
Hey, good
morning, boss man.

1868
01:21:47,703 --> 01:21:48,937
What's so good about it?

1869
01:21:48,938 --> 01:21:51,072
Oh, bad day at
the gym, I take it.

1870
01:21:51,073 --> 01:21:52,474
Well, not for you.

1871
01:21:52,475 --> 01:21:54,709
You can just forget about
me being corrupted by Little

1872
01:21:54,710 --> 01:21:56,144
Miss Goody Two Shoes anymore.

1873
01:21:56,145 --> 01:21:59,314
Oh, so you told her where she
could put her religious shtick.

1874
01:21:59,315 --> 01:22:00,216
I like it.

1875
01:22:00,217 --> 01:22:01,717
No.

1876
01:22:01,718 --> 01:22:03,386
So then she told
you where you can put

1877
01:22:03,387 --> 01:22:04,719
your punctuated equilibrium?

1878
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,521
No!

1879
01:22:05,522 --> 01:22:06,656
No, no, no, no.

1880
01:22:06,657 --> 01:22:08,324
We just mutually agreed,
we were butting heads,

1881
01:22:08,325 --> 01:22:09,724
and it was causing
us a headache.

1882
01:22:09,725 --> 01:22:11,292
Hey, hold all my calls.

1883
01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:13,027
Trey, we don't
have a switchboard,

1884
01:22:13,028 --> 01:22:15,364
and you have a cell phone.

1885
01:22:15,365 --> 01:22:16,297
Duh, Benji.

1886
01:22:16,298 --> 01:22:17,732
It was a joke.

1887
01:22:17,733 --> 01:22:18,967
I wasn't sure.

1888
01:22:18,968 --> 01:22:20,736
I thought maybe you were
too distraught that you were

1889
01:22:20,737 --> 01:22:23,237
losing your grip on reality.

1890
01:22:23,238 --> 01:22:24,039
Me?

1891
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,041
Me, distraught?

1892
01:22:26,042 --> 01:22:27,276
Yeah.

1893
01:22:27,277 --> 01:22:28,677
No, no, no.

1894
01:22:28,678 --> 01:22:31,947
This just so complicates my life
so that I can go back to being

1895
01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:35,484
the carefree cabellero again.

1896
01:22:35,485 --> 01:22:36,284
All right.

1897
01:22:36,285 --> 01:22:38,219
Carefree caballero?

1898
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:39,387
I don't know.

1899
01:22:39,388 --> 01:22:42,891
Wow, that's an
interesting development.

1900
01:22:42,892 --> 01:22:46,762
I never even got a chance to put
my fiendish plan into action.

1901
01:22:46,763 --> 01:22:49,764
Just what was your plot?

1902
01:22:49,765 --> 01:22:51,432
Confidential.

1903
01:22:51,433 --> 01:22:53,436
I may have to use
it on you one day.

1904
01:22:53,437 --> 01:22:54,469
OK, brother.

1905
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:55,837
Great, now I got to
walk on eggshells

1906
01:22:55,838 --> 01:22:57,072
on both sides of the office.

1907
01:22:57,073 --> 01:22:58,072
Thanks, Tracy.

1908
01:22:58,073 --> 01:22:58,908
You're welcome.

1909
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:02,777
I'm sorry, Sandy.

1910
01:23:02,778 --> 01:23:05,914
I can't-- I couldn't continue
the way it was going.

1911
01:23:05,915 --> 01:23:07,282
I'm just not that strong.

1912
01:23:07,283 --> 01:23:10,919
Oh, Jeweli, Jeweli, no,
don't-- don't worry about it.

1913
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,321
You gave it your best shot.

1914
01:23:12,322 --> 01:23:14,656
And for that, we're
really appreciative.

1915
01:23:14,657 --> 01:23:19,061
I mean, listen, I'm sure it
had a positive effect on Trey.

1916
01:23:19,062 --> 01:23:21,496
You know, it's really ironic.

1917
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:25,334
Some kids grow up never
hearing about Jesus,

1918
01:23:25,335 --> 01:23:28,069
and they find him and rejoice.

1919
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:30,506
And then, other kids grow
up in Christian homes,

1920
01:23:30,507 --> 01:23:32,807
and they-- they just
walk away from the best

1921
01:23:32,808 --> 01:23:34,709
thing in their life.

1922
01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:39,281
Someday-- Jeweli, someday
they'll all find out.

1923
01:23:39,282 --> 01:23:41,216
I just hope it's not
the day that every knee

1924
01:23:41,217 --> 01:23:44,819
bows and every tongue
confess that Jesus is Lord.

1925
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:45,621
I know.

1926
01:23:45,622 --> 01:23:47,456
Amen.

1927
01:23:47,457 --> 01:23:50,692
Well, will you continue
to pray for him?

1928
01:23:50,693 --> 01:23:53,529
Yeah, that I can and will do.

1929
01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:57,132
You are a peach.

1930
01:23:57,133 --> 01:24:02,404
OK, listen, I am planning
a trip to your fair city.

1931
01:24:02,405 --> 01:24:04,706
Now, I'm not sure that
Trey is going to see me,

1932
01:24:04,707 --> 01:24:07,142
but I feel compelled to try.

1933
01:24:07,143 --> 01:24:10,279
I sure would love to
meet you in person.

1934
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,479
That would be wonderful.

1935
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:12,981
Cool.
Cool.

1936
01:24:12,982 --> 01:24:14,616
All right, well, I'll
reach out then as

1937
01:24:14,617 --> 01:24:18,119
soon as my plans are finalized.

1938
01:24:58,027 --> 01:24:59,061
- Hey, Tracy.
- Hey.

1939
01:24:59,062 --> 01:25:00,196
Did you finish that edit?

1940
01:25:00,197 --> 01:25:01,931
I did.

1941
01:25:01,932 --> 01:25:03,331
You want to go
grab some coffee?

1942
01:25:03,332 --> 01:25:04,332
You buying?

1943
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:07,102
Sure.

1944
01:25:07,103 --> 01:25:08,672
I never turn down free coffee.

1945
01:25:12,142 --> 01:25:15,677
So are you planning on telling
me what's eating at you,

1946
01:25:15,678 --> 01:25:18,614
or did I just come
here as eye candy?

1947
01:25:18,615 --> 01:25:20,382
I'm not sure.

1948
01:25:20,383 --> 01:25:23,652
I feel like I want to rant, but
I figure I'll regret it if I do.

1949
01:25:23,653 --> 01:25:26,354
Well, go ahead and
rant because if not,

1950
01:25:26,355 --> 01:25:27,556
you're gonna explode.

1951
01:25:27,557 --> 01:25:30,759
And I definitely don't
wanna see you on the news.

1952
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,627
Maybe so.

1953
01:25:34,663 --> 01:25:36,097
Have you ever been
in love before?

1954
01:25:36,098 --> 01:25:37,399
Oh, whoa!

1955
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,867
I did not see that coming.

1956
01:25:39,868 --> 01:25:42,071
I thought we were here to
discuss your secret issues

1957
01:25:42,072 --> 01:25:43,839
and not pour out mine.

1958
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:44,972
Just humor me here.

1959
01:25:44,973 --> 01:25:47,510
I'm trying to get a
grasp on what love is.

1960
01:25:51,882 --> 01:25:54,216
OK.

1961
01:25:54,217 --> 01:25:56,517
I was in love once before--

1962
01:25:56,518 --> 01:25:59,154
when I was much younger though.

1963
01:25:59,155 --> 01:26:05,294
I mean, he was my everything,
was my rising star.

1964
01:26:05,295 --> 01:26:08,196
And then he broke my heart.

1965
01:26:08,197 --> 01:26:11,632
And I decided then that I
did not wanna take the risk

1966
01:26:11,633 --> 01:26:13,501
of that ever happening again.

1967
01:26:13,502 --> 01:26:14,869
Exactly.

1968
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:17,306
I mean, I'm trying to figure
out how these crazy emotions fit

1969
01:26:17,307 --> 01:26:19,107
into the evolutionary pattern.

1970
01:26:19,108 --> 01:26:21,476
I mean, it seems to me
that they're a handicap.

1971
01:26:21,477 --> 01:26:23,477
Look at Mr. Spock on <i>Star Trek.</i>

1972
01:26:23,478 --> 01:26:26,982
His lack of emotions spared
him from all the other drama

1973
01:26:26,983 --> 01:26:28,917
that the other crew experienced.

1974
01:26:28,918 --> 01:26:31,619
As he would say,
emotions are illogical.

1975
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:35,691
So why did we not evolve out of
emotions if we had them before

1976
01:26:35,692 --> 01:26:39,027
or not evolve 'em
in the first place?

1977
01:26:39,028 --> 01:26:40,896
Well, let me guess.

1978
01:26:40,897 --> 01:26:44,399
She posed the question about
where does love come from.

1979
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,002
Ah, she slipped right
through your defense

1980
01:26:48,003 --> 01:26:51,272
of your scientific terms
when it comes to that, right?

1981
01:26:51,273 --> 01:26:53,107
Exactly.

1982
01:26:53,108 --> 01:26:54,642
Oh no.

1983
01:26:54,643 --> 01:26:55,444
What?

1984
01:26:55,445 --> 01:26:57,846
She's here.

1985
01:26:57,847 --> 01:27:02,284
Look, I'm no expert
at this, at all,

1986
01:27:02,285 --> 01:27:06,154
but I really think that you
need to talk with her directly

1987
01:27:06,155 --> 01:27:08,522
about this question
so you can get

1988
01:27:08,523 --> 01:27:12,427
this settled once and for all.

1989
01:27:12,428 --> 01:27:15,129
You know what?

1990
01:27:15,130 --> 01:27:16,164
Sit right here for me.

1991
01:27:41,958 --> 01:27:43,324
You wanted to see me?

1992
01:27:43,325 --> 01:27:45,594
No.

1993
01:27:45,595 --> 01:27:46,894
Yeah.

1994
01:27:46,895 --> 01:27:47,729
I don't know.

1995
01:27:47,730 --> 01:27:49,497
You're driving me crazy.

1996
01:27:49,498 --> 01:27:51,166
I'm driving you crazy?

1997
01:27:51,167 --> 01:27:53,167
I haven't even talked
to you in a few days.

1998
01:27:53,168 --> 01:27:55,036
You should be recovered
from the trauma

1999
01:27:55,037 --> 01:27:57,172
of interfacing with me by now.

2000
01:27:57,173 --> 01:27:58,941
Trauma?

2001
01:27:58,942 --> 01:28:02,644
If this is trauma,
chain me to a wall.

2002
01:28:02,645 --> 01:28:06,014
You know, maybe I
shouldn't tell you this,

2003
01:28:06,015 --> 01:28:09,217
but you really did rock my boat.

2004
01:28:09,218 --> 01:28:11,486
After I got into the car
after our mutual parting

2005
01:28:11,487 --> 01:28:12,887
of ways, this--

2006
01:28:12,888 --> 01:28:14,389
this song came on--

2007
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:16,791
My World Is Empty
Without You, Babe.

2008
01:28:16,792 --> 01:28:19,594
And after a few almost
sleepless nights,

2009
01:28:19,595 --> 01:28:23,431
it dawned on me that I'm
missing something in my life.

2010
01:28:23,432 --> 01:28:24,999
It's not me.

2011
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,034
It's not?

2012
01:28:26,035 --> 01:28:27,369
Are you sure?

2013
01:28:27,370 --> 01:28:30,739
Because no one's ever
done this to me before.

2014
01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:32,507
I've never met anyone like you.

2015
01:28:32,508 --> 01:28:35,511
You have taken me
way out of my box.

2016
01:28:35,512 --> 01:28:36,877
That's out?

2017
01:28:36,878 --> 01:28:40,516
Well, if you let me take you
to a worship service tonight,

2018
01:28:40,517 --> 01:28:43,617
you'll find that it's not
me you primarily long for.

2019
01:28:43,618 --> 01:28:46,687
That's an interesting
proposal, I guess.

2020
01:28:46,688 --> 01:28:49,691
You know, I did some research
on a couple of topics

2021
01:28:49,692 --> 01:28:51,526
in the field of evolution.

2022
01:28:51,527 --> 01:28:55,397
One was that question about
emotions that you raised.

2023
01:28:55,398 --> 01:28:57,632
And the other was the
metamorphosis of the caterpillar

2024
01:28:57,633 --> 01:28:58,701
into the butterfly.

2025
01:28:58,702 --> 01:29:00,101
Excellent example.

2026
01:29:00,102 --> 01:29:01,802
Could the master
storyteller be giving

2027
01:29:01,803 --> 01:29:03,604
us a glimpse of the future?

2028
01:29:03,605 --> 01:29:07,476
A poor, drab little creature,
forced to crawl upon the Earth,

2029
01:29:07,477 --> 01:29:09,911
build its own little
tomb, and then

2030
01:29:09,912 --> 01:29:14,416
rises up in beautiful colors to
flit and fly through the sky.

2031
01:29:14,417 --> 01:29:17,152
Well, that's-- that's
not entirely accurate,

2032
01:29:17,153 --> 01:29:19,587
since some caterpillars
are pretty colorful,

2033
01:29:19,588 --> 01:29:22,991
and some flying insects that use
cocoons are pretty drab, but.

2034
01:29:22,992 --> 01:29:25,761
And as I was thinking
about that, this--

2035
01:29:25,762 --> 01:29:28,262
this Robin Williams
movie came to mind.

2036
01:29:28,263 --> 01:29:32,134
I don't remember the name of
it, but he's grieving the murder

2037
01:29:32,135 --> 01:29:34,636
of his friend,
and this butterfly

2038
01:29:34,637 --> 01:29:36,571
starts flying around his face.

2039
01:29:36,572 --> 01:29:37,372
<i>Patch Adams.</i>

2040
01:29:37,373 --> 01:29:39,141
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

2041
01:29:39,142 --> 01:29:41,009
So you think that
God created insects

2042
01:29:41,010 --> 01:29:45,179
to look like that to testify
to us of eternal life,

2043
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:48,416
that we rise up out of our
graves and are set free?

2044
01:29:48,417 --> 01:29:49,517
It makes sense to me.

2045
01:29:49,518 --> 01:29:51,219
And nothing about that
process makes sense

2046
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:53,321
in the light of evolution.

2047
01:29:53,322 --> 01:29:54,789
Well, again, I
should point out

2048
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:56,291
that there are lots
of other insects

2049
01:29:56,292 --> 01:29:58,526
that use cocoons to
protect their larvae.

2050
01:29:58,527 --> 01:30:01,096
I don't think that
detracts from the butterfly's

2051
01:30:01,097 --> 01:30:03,999
message about eternal life.

2052
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,769
You know, I told your
dad that I had no desire

2053
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:09,237
to be in a place like Heaven.

2054
01:30:09,238 --> 01:30:10,037
I know.

2055
01:30:10,038 --> 01:30:13,174
Maybe that was a bit rash.

2056
01:30:13,175 --> 01:30:15,544
Maybe I want to be
like the butterfly.

2057
01:30:15,545 --> 01:30:19,747
But what I do know is, I'm not
ready to go back into a church.

2058
01:30:19,748 --> 01:30:20,782
Yeah.

2059
01:30:20,783 --> 01:30:21,882
Well, you're in luck.

2060
01:30:21,883 --> 01:30:23,886
The worship service
that I was talking about

2061
01:30:23,887 --> 01:30:27,556
takes place outside, and
it will be super informal.

2062
01:30:27,557 --> 01:30:29,057
Hmm.

2063
01:30:29,058 --> 01:30:31,892
I-- I guess I could handle that.

2064
01:30:31,893 --> 01:30:32,694
What time?

2065
01:30:32,695 --> 01:30:33,627
7:00.

2066
01:30:33,628 --> 01:30:34,896
Would you like me
to pick you up?

2067
01:30:34,897 --> 01:30:36,631
You're afraid I won't
show up on my own.

2068
01:30:36,632 --> 01:30:38,332
No, just afraid
that you'll get

2069
01:30:38,333 --> 01:30:39,801
lost on the way or something.

2070
01:30:39,802 --> 01:30:41,536
OK, pick me up at the studio.

2071
01:30:41,537 --> 01:30:44,772
All right, I'll be there at
6:30 with mosquito repellent.

2072
01:30:51,513 --> 01:30:56,317
But now I am found

2073
01:30:56,318 --> 01:30:59,021
Was blind

2074
01:30:59,022 --> 01:31:04,992
But now I see

2075
01:31:04,993 --> 01:31:14,269
Let's just close our eyes
and rid all of our distractions

2076
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:15,738
from our minds.

2077
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:21,009
I feel like God is
leading me to share

2078
01:31:21,010 --> 01:31:23,611
this message in this passage.

2079
01:31:23,612 --> 01:31:24,746
God is love.

2080
01:31:24,747 --> 01:31:30,151
And that loves is born
of God and knows God.

2081
01:31:30,152 --> 01:31:33,856
This next song was
not part of my list,

2082
01:31:33,857 --> 01:31:35,825
but I feel led to sing it.

2083
01:31:39,028 --> 01:31:45,032
O Lord my God

2084
01:31:45,033 --> 01:31:50,606
When I in awesome wonder

2085
01:31:50,607 --> 01:32:00,248
Consider all the worlds
thy hands have made

2086
01:32:01,483 --> 01:32:06,754
I see the stars

2087
01:32:06,755 --> 01:32:12,192
I hear the rolling thunder

2088
01:32:12,193 --> 01:32:22,837
Thy power throughout
the universe displayed

2089
01:32:22,838 --> 01:32:33,247
Then sings my soul,
My Savior God, to Thee

2090
01:32:33,248 --> 01:32:44,326
How great Thou art

2091
01:32:44,327 --> 01:32:54,502
Then sings my soul,
my Savior God, to Thee

2092
01:32:54,503 --> 01:33:05,080
How great Thou art

2093
01:33:10,753 --> 01:33:15,991
And when I think.

2094
01:33:15,992 --> 01:33:21,162
that God, his Son not sparing

2095
01:33:21,163 --> 01:33:25,066
Sent him to die

2096
01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:31,372
I scarce can take it in

2097
01:33:31,373 --> 01:33:36,577
That on the cross

2098
01:33:36,578 --> 01:33:41,682
My burden gladly bearing

2099
01:33:41,683 --> 01:33:50,859
He bled and died
to take away my sin

2100
01:35:04,933 --> 01:35:06,934
Hey, Mom, when you've
finished squeezing

2101
01:35:06,935 --> 01:35:10,371
the life out of Jeweli, can
have a moment alone with her?

2102
01:35:10,372 --> 01:35:11,839
Sure.

2103
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:28,222
Well, you were right,
and you were wrong.

2104
01:35:28,223 --> 01:35:30,091
Excuse me?

2105
01:35:30,092 --> 01:35:33,694
I was needing someone else
in my life besides you, someone

2106
01:35:33,695 --> 01:35:37,231
that I once had
and let slip away.

2107
01:35:37,232 --> 01:35:40,667
But I guess my mind has
been renewed because I'm

2108
01:35:40,668 --> 01:35:42,704
seeing things so clearly now.

2109
01:35:42,705 --> 01:35:45,339
I was a sucker, led
down what seemed

2110
01:35:45,340 --> 01:35:47,476
to be a yellow brick road.

2111
01:35:47,477 --> 01:35:50,779
As the song goes, I was blind.

2112
01:35:50,780 --> 01:35:52,614
But now I see.

2113
01:35:52,615 --> 01:35:55,549
But even now, after
I've come to my senses

2114
01:35:55,550 --> 01:35:58,852
and let God penetrate
my armor again,

2115
01:35:58,853 --> 01:36:01,456
I still feel like
I'm in love with you.

2116
01:36:01,457 --> 01:36:04,459
I mean, after all, it was you
that made me believe that living

2117
01:36:04,460 --> 01:36:07,427
life forever wouldn't be
such a bad thing if I could

2118
01:36:07,428 --> 01:36:10,031
do it with someone like you.

2119
01:36:10,032 --> 01:36:11,399
I don't know what to say.

2120
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:12,634
I don't know.

2121
01:36:12,635 --> 01:36:15,669
Bottom line, I'd like
permission to-- to date you.

2122
01:36:15,670 --> 01:36:19,541
Oh, wait, you don't date.

2123
01:36:19,542 --> 01:36:21,576
Permission to court you.

2124
01:36:21,577 --> 01:36:24,879
And if you want to spend all
of our time going to church,

2125
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,616
it's fine with me.

2126
01:36:27,617 --> 01:36:28,749
You're right.

2127
01:36:28,750 --> 01:36:30,852
I think it's not a good
time to make decisions.

2128
01:36:30,853 --> 01:36:35,891
But I will ponder this request
in my heart and pray about it.

2129
01:36:35,892 --> 01:36:38,692
Fair enough.

2130
01:36:38,693 --> 01:36:43,497
Jeweli, give
me your answer due

2131
01:36:43,498 --> 01:36:47,434
I'm half crazy

2132
01:36:47,435 --> 01:36:50,437
All for the love of you.

2133
01:36:50,438 --> 01:36:52,472
Well, someone's awfully
chipper this morning.

2134
01:36:52,473 --> 01:36:53,274
Let me guess.

2135
01:36:53,275 --> 01:36:54,107
Date went well?

2136
01:36:54,108 --> 01:36:55,476
It wasn't a date.

2137
01:36:55,477 --> 01:36:56,911
She doesn't date.

2138
01:36:56,912 --> 01:37:00,514
But OK, it was a wonderful time.

2139
01:37:00,515 --> 01:37:01,916
And now, I have
some news that'll

2140
01:37:01,917 --> 01:37:04,519
probably not make you day.

2141
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,054
Trey, why are you
wearing that shirt?

2142
01:37:07,055 --> 01:37:08,222
Please tell me--

2143
01:37:08,223 --> 01:37:12,426
I'm taking down all
my atheistic content.

2144
01:37:12,427 --> 01:37:13,761
All?

2145
01:37:13,762 --> 01:37:16,331
Well, I'll edit some of the
videos that present pure science

2146
01:37:16,332 --> 01:37:18,299
dealing with evolution,
but I'll point

2147
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:19,967
out the flaws in my teaching.

2148
01:37:19,968 --> 01:37:23,771
Right, and who exactly is
going to watch that garbage?

2149
01:37:23,772 --> 01:37:25,506
What happened, Trey?

2150
01:37:25,507 --> 01:37:28,742
Look, I don't really have
the words to describe it, OK?

2151
01:37:28,743 --> 01:37:31,379
I renewed a vow that
I made when I was

2152
01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:33,247
knee high to Shaquille O'Neal.

2153
01:37:33,248 --> 01:37:35,182
It was like a--
it was like I got

2154
01:37:35,183 --> 01:37:38,619
zapped by a bolt of electricity
and-- and-- and a feeling

2155
01:37:38,620 --> 01:37:42,624
of liquid love being poured all
over my body at the same time.

2156
01:37:42,625 --> 01:37:44,024
Liquid love?

2157
01:37:44,025 --> 01:37:46,627
That sounds like lyrics
from a bad pop song.

2158
01:37:46,628 --> 01:37:49,062
I know, but it's just the
first thing that came to mind.

2159
01:37:49,063 --> 01:37:51,766
I-- I still can't wrap
my mind around it.

2160
01:37:51,767 --> 01:37:53,367
You do understand
our subscribers

2161
01:37:53,368 --> 01:37:55,769
are gonna be like rats
leaving a sinking ship?

2162
01:37:55,770 --> 01:37:57,104
Yeah, I know.

2163
01:37:57,105 --> 01:37:59,907
I'm probably gonna have to
start looking for a day job now.

2164
01:37:59,908 --> 01:38:02,944
Which really translates
to, Benjamin and Tracy,

2165
01:38:02,945 --> 01:38:06,747
you need to change your LinkedIn
profiles to, looking for a job.

2166
01:38:06,748 --> 01:38:10,284
Look, I'm sorry, I made a new
video explaining to everyone

2167
01:38:10,285 --> 01:38:13,087
and apologizing them
for leading them astray

2168
01:38:13,088 --> 01:38:15,089
and warning them not
to take the bait that

2169
01:38:15,090 --> 01:38:16,724
led me to the brink of hell.

2170
01:38:16,725 --> 01:38:19,927
I have to repair all the
damage that I've done, guys.

2171
01:38:19,928 --> 01:38:22,196
Wow, so you just
crossed over the river,

2172
01:38:22,197 --> 01:38:24,197
and there's no coming back.

2173
01:38:24,198 --> 01:38:27,936
Trey, you are intentionally
going from a hero to a zero.

2174
01:38:27,937 --> 01:38:31,539
Why are you throwing everything
away, for a woman, no less?

2175
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:34,074
First of all, I didn't
do it for any woman!

2176
01:38:34,075 --> 01:38:37,477
I did it for the
creator of the universe.

2177
01:38:37,478 --> 01:38:39,714
I had an experience, Benji.

2178
01:38:39,715 --> 01:38:42,617
I felt God, and I can't deny it.

2179
01:38:42,618 --> 01:38:45,419
And a man with an experience
is never at the mercy of a man

2180
01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:47,789
with only an arguments.

2181
01:38:47,790 --> 01:38:51,992
So just like that,
bam, you're one of them.

2182
01:38:51,993 --> 01:38:56,197
Someday, maybe
you'll understand.

2183
01:38:56,198 --> 01:38:58,932
I've got enough severance
pay saved up for you guys

2184
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:00,234
for maybe a couple of weeks.

2185
01:39:00,235 --> 01:39:01,036
I'm sorry.

2186
01:39:01,037 --> 01:39:03,271
It's the most I can do.

2187
01:39:03,272 --> 01:39:05,339
I appreciate it.

2188
01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:10,611
I'd give you a hug goodbye,
but I'm just not feeling it.

2189
01:39:10,612 --> 01:39:13,347
I understand, but I
would appreciate it if you

2190
01:39:13,348 --> 01:39:14,716
guys would watch my new video.

2191
01:39:14,717 --> 01:39:17,719
Yeah, there is no
chance of that happening.

2192
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,954
Hey, Benji, this is for you.

2193
01:39:20,955 --> 01:39:21,756
Read it.

2194
01:39:26,128 --> 01:39:29,464
For the record, Trey, you're
still knee high to Shaq.

2195
01:39:40,542 --> 01:39:42,576
Seems I shouldn't
have convinced that babe

2196
01:39:42,577 --> 01:39:44,679
to clear the air with him.

2197
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,714
You did what?

2198
01:39:46,715 --> 01:39:48,882
I thought you had a fiendish
plan to keep 'em apart.

2199
01:39:48,883 --> 01:39:51,986
Yeah, I did.

2200
01:39:51,987 --> 01:39:55,456
But something caused me to
go in a different direction.

2201
01:39:55,457 --> 01:39:56,624
I'll never understand this.

2202
01:39:56,625 --> 01:39:59,059
Yeah, well, that would
make two of us, Tracy!

2203
01:39:59,060 --> 01:40:00,795
I'm surrounded by
Benedict Arnolds.

2204
01:40:23,218 --> 01:40:24,586
Hey.

2205
01:40:24,587 --> 01:40:28,256
Can you share your
table with me?

2206
01:40:28,257 --> 01:40:29,491
Of course.

2207
01:40:29,492 --> 01:40:32,861
The good doctor, what an honor.

2208
01:40:32,862 --> 01:40:34,261
I watched your video.

2209
01:40:34,262 --> 01:40:38,366
Impressive, especially when you
described how a lamb can survive

2210
01:40:38,367 --> 01:40:39,767
the bite of a venomous snake.

2211
01:40:39,768 --> 01:40:43,504
And you compared the devil to
the snake and the lamb of God.

2212
01:40:43,505 --> 01:40:45,572
It was amazing.

2213
01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:49,711
I also noticed your
subscribers plummeted.

2214
01:40:49,712 --> 01:40:50,844
Yep.

2215
01:40:50,845 --> 01:40:52,212
Inevitable.

2216
01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:55,816
You know, your dad told me
that if I made any confessions

2217
01:40:55,817 --> 01:40:59,286
to even the possibility of
truth in design that I'd become

2218
01:40:59,287 --> 01:41:01,222
a traitor to many of my fans.

2219
01:41:01,223 --> 01:41:02,991
Well, it turns out he was right.

2220
01:41:02,992 --> 01:41:06,094
It's kind of painful to
read some of the comments.

2221
01:41:06,095 --> 01:41:09,229
And I let my landlord know that
I'll be vacating the studio

2222
01:41:09,230 --> 01:41:10,931
at the end of the month.

2223
01:41:10,932 --> 01:41:13,201
My income's gonna be
dropping exponentially.

2224
01:41:13,202 --> 01:41:16,537
You won't be able to gain
new subscribers and viewers?

2225
01:41:16,538 --> 01:41:17,772
Highly unlikely.

2226
01:41:17,773 --> 01:41:20,574
Speaking of my
dad, I talked to him

2227
01:41:20,575 --> 01:41:22,376
after I watched the video.

2228
01:41:22,377 --> 01:41:24,612
And he thinks you could make
some really great science

2229
01:41:24,613 --> 01:41:27,714
content for homeschoolers and
help him with his movie scripts.

2230
01:41:27,715 --> 01:41:29,517
And I don't know how
much money is in that,

2231
01:41:29,518 --> 01:41:32,552
but the opportunity is there.

2232
01:41:32,553 --> 01:41:35,090
Wow, I'm speechless.

2233
01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:40,294
What?

2234
01:41:40,295 --> 01:41:41,962
I was just wondering
how soon you'd

2235
01:41:41,963 --> 01:41:43,231
be ready to take me to church?

2236
01:41:43,232 --> 01:41:44,999
Really?

2237
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,267
Yeah.

2238
01:41:46,268 --> 01:41:47,869
Well, today is Wednesday.

2239
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:50,071
Does your church have
Wednesday evening services?

2240
01:41:50,072 --> 01:41:51,906
- We do.
- Are you available tonight?

2241
01:41:51,907 --> 01:41:52,739
I am.

2242
01:41:52,740 --> 01:41:54,207
Pick me up at 6:30?

2243
01:41:54,208 --> 01:41:55,909
Wild horses
couldn't keep me away.

2244
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:59,614
Oh, I forgot.

2245
01:41:59,615 --> 01:42:01,216
My parents are in town.

2246
01:42:01,217 --> 01:42:02,616
Can I bring them along with me?

2247
01:42:02,617 --> 01:42:05,519
Yeah, parents,
not cool on a date,

2248
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,089
but more than welcome
in a courtship.

2249
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:09,289
Perfect.

2250
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:11,659
Well, in the interim,
I'll give your dad a call

2251
01:42:11,660 --> 01:42:13,627
and see what kind of
havoc we can unleash

2252
01:42:13,628 --> 01:42:15,962
on the kingdom of darkness.

2253
01:42:37,818 --> 01:42:41,522
Lord,
we come before you

2254
01:42:41,523 --> 01:42:45,992
Seated humbly at your feet

2255
01:42:45,993 --> 01:42:49,797
May your glory fill this place

2256
01:42:49,798 --> 01:42:54,969
Come and fill us with
your love once again

2257
01:42:54,970 --> 01:42:58,672
Oh, Jesus, sweet Jesus

2258
01:42:58,673 --> 01:43:02,842
Come and fill us with your love

2259
01:43:02,843 --> 01:43:12,287
Master Savior, come and fill
us with your love once again

2260
01:43:16,858 --> 01:43:20,527
Lord, we kneel before you

2261
01:43:20,528 --> 01:43:25,199
We give our hearts too

2262
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,636
We long for your embrace

2263
01:43:28,637 --> 01:43:33,607
Come and fill us with
your love once again

2264
01:43:33,608 --> 01:43:37,577
Oh, Jesus, sweet Jesus

2265
01:43:37,578 --> 01:43:41,582
Come and fill us with your love

2266
01:43:41,583 --> 01:43:51,327
Master, Savior, come and fill
us with your love once again

2267
01:44:14,917 --> 01:44:18,452
Lord, we call out to you

2268
01:44:18,453 --> 01:44:22,722
Rekindle our love for you

2269
01:44:22,723 --> 01:44:26,494
May your presence
fill this place

2270
01:44:26,495 --> 01:44:32,200
Come and fill us with
your love once again

2271
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:41,976
Oh, Jesus, sweet Jesus

2272
01:44:41,977 --> 01:44:46,112
Come and fill us with your love

2273
01:44:46,113 --> 01:44:55,123
Master, Savior, come and fill
us with your love once again